“Our $6 billion stadium” the story.

[coconut]

Sorry I didn't want to get involved in more of the LA vs StL debate but you guys aren't getting the point. Stan absolutely wanted to spend his money. The StL proposal was flawed because they wanted to own the stadium and give him no input. Regardless of where it's being built this is completely ignoring who you want to do business with and you're not putting your best offer forward. You can give a guy like Stan all you want and work with him however you want but if at the end of the day it's your toy and not his you aren't going to end up working with him.

That's all I'm trying to say, he's a property owner not a renter. With the proposal StL gave him they never had a chance it made his decision easy.

Then why wasn't there a Kroenke proposal? He could have easily done it in St. Louis on his own if he wanted. He made that fact crystal clear in his trashing St. Louis when he left.

 

[Dxmissile]

And that's great, however, the agreement was for St. Louis to ensure they had an upper echelon facility in the NFL, that was the agreement and Stan spoke about that the day they announced the move. Even with the new stadium proposal, it did not put St. Louis in the top 5 stadiums, which was factored in to be competitive, now we can debate that topic, but if they had made those improvements to the Convention Center, it would have been in that top percentile.

In the end, Stan wanted to move as like John Shaw in the 90's that oversaw expansion and realized the opportunity, ESK oversaw the Los Angeles committee and understood what it would take to have a football team in Los Angeles and he felt he was the guy to get it done.

As to the Chargers, I believe Mexico City is in their future. Logistics not an issue and a fan base like no other, however, that's down the road IMHO.

Stan and the City had a commission done on what it would take to make the dome top tier that came out to 550 million in renovations. After trying to work with Stan to see how much money he would give to the project and when he kept rejecting deal after deal that’s when the city decided to come up with a new stadium Idea a brand new stadium that would have made it a top tier stadium with only two stadiums above it Jerry world and the new MetLife stadium.

the city didnt want to do the renovations if Stan wasn’t going to help pay for it because the city made way more money on conventions and concerts at the dome then the rams games and having that type of major renovations would have stopped all of that. That’s why they came up with their own proposal to build and finance a completely new state of the art stadium even had naming rights that would have been top 3 annual revenue in the entire league

 

[fearsomefour]

I always understood the business side of the move that’s a no brainer. The franchises worth went up about a billion more than it would have with the new stadium in StL

Yeah, it just made too much sense.
Now, as a fan, if a team fell in my lap with a less that ideal location I would have no desire to move. I’d enjoy my winters in Buffalo.
The other moves don’t make a lot of sense to me interns of fan base but I suppose money wise they do.
The chargers had options and a loyal (if a little small) fan base in San Diego. Plus, it’s San Diego man. Hard to beat.

 

[coconut]

As to the Chargers, I believe Mexico City is in their future. Logistics not an issue and a fan base like no other, however, that's down the road IMHO.

Armored car caravans to home games.

 

[Dxmissile]

Yeah, it just made too much sense.
Now, as a fan, if a team fell in my lap with a less that ideal location I would have no desire to move. I’d enjoy my winters in Buffalo.
The other moves don’t make a lot of sense to me interns of fan base but I suppose money wise they do.
The chargers had options and a loyal (if a little small) fan base in San Diego. Plus, it’s San Diego man. Hard to beat.

Yep and I feel like everyone knew that the business side was too good. That’s why I feel like if Stan and the NfL would have been straight forward things would have went better and maybe the city would have turned their attention to trying to get the Chargers. I know a lot of this turmoil could have been avoided with honesty

 

[den-the-coach]

the city didnt want to do the renovations if Stan wasn’t going to help pay for it because the city made way more money on conventions and concerts at the dome then the rams games and having that type of major renovations would have stopped all of that. That’s why they came up with their own proposal to build and finance a completely new state of the art stadium even had naming rights that would have been top 3 annual revenue in the entire league

But again, that was not part of the original agreement. In the end, everybody got want they wanted IMHO. The Convention Center now has all the dates for conventions & concerts and Stan is spending his own money, it a place he want to be.

I believe that regardless of the amount for Kroenke, if he was going to spend any money, it was going to be in Los Angeles not St. Louis and considering the ownership group had frowned on ESK in the 90's because they thought he was a yokel, in his mind, it had come full circle. Again, I agree he would not put up any money for the Convention Center, but per the agreement, he didn't have to.

 

[RamsCardsJazz]

And that's great, however, the agreement was for St. Louis to ensure they had an upper echelon facility in the NFL, that was the agreement and Stan spoke about that the day they announced the move. Even with the new stadium proposal, it did not put St. Louis in the top 5 stadiums, which was factored in to be competitive, now we can debate that topic, but if they had made those improvements to the Convention Center, it would have been in that top percentile.

In the end, Stan wanted to move as like John Shaw in the 90's that oversaw expansion and realized the opportunity, ESK oversaw the Los Angeles committee and understood what it would take to have a football team in Los Angeles and he felt he was the guy to get it done.

As to the Chargers, I believe Mexico City is in their future. Logistics not an issue and a fan base like no other, however, that's down the road IMHO.

Regarding your last point, that stadium this past week appeared to be more red (Chiefs) than blue, so I do not think they have much of a fanbase down there.

 

[Dxmissile]

But again, that was not part of the original agreement. In the end, everybody got want they wanted IMHO. The Convention Center now has all the dates for conventions & concerts and Stan is spending his own money, it a place he want to be.

I believe that regardless of the amount for Kroenke, if he was going to spend any money, it was going to be in Los Angeles not St. Louis and considering the ownership group had frowned on ESK in the 90's because they thought he was a yokel, in his mind, it had come full circle. Again, I agree he would not put up any money for the Convention Center, but per the agreement, he didn't have to.

Per the Nfl relocation rules he did. That’s why they’re losing in court. The main thing is that he and the nfl kept telling StL do this do that when they knew no matter what they weren’t staying

 

[Dxmissile]

https://images.app.goo.gl/u26ybCi93HqSshQJA that would have been one beautiful stadium

 

[snackdaddy]

I am dumbfounded, gobsmacked, and floored. How in THE HELL did 32 NFL owners and the league office NOT know that Raider fans in LA were going to get PSL's in Las Vegas and therefore take revenue from LA teams? My freaking God, how clueless can rich guys be?

Another dumb move was giving Spanos first crack at LA over Davis. Everyone knows there is still a fan base for the Raiders in LA. No one has ever cared about the Chargers there. But they wanted to be loyal to Deano. And he has not reciprocated that loyalty.

 

[den-the-coach]

https://images.app.goo.gl/u26ybCi93HqSshQJA that would have been one beautiful stadium View attachment 32200

I never disagreed with that, but IMO, if ESK was going to spend money, it was going to be in Los Angeles. He could have spent much less and stayed in St. Louis, he must of had his reasons.

Also one issue I would of had with this stadium is it was open air. Now they had proven with the relocation that fans without weather issue would turnout better and that's why they went with the convention center proposal led by former Senator Thomas Eagleton.

Again taking nothing away from this grand proposal because IMO neither St. Louis or San Diego deserved to lose their teams.

 

[den-the-coach]

Per the Nfl relocation rules he did. That’s why they’re losing in court.

Yeah, we'll see how that ends up because I'm sure it's going to get appealed a half dozen times.

 

[Dxmissile]

Yeah, we'll see how that ends up because I'm sure it's going to get appealed a half dozen times.

Lol yep and again and again until one side say forget it

 

[den-the-coach]

Another dumb move was giving Spanos first crack at LA over Davis. Everyone knows there is still a fan base for the Raiders in LA. No one has ever cared about the Chargers there. But they wanted to be loyal to Deano. And he has not reciprocated that loyalty.

The NFL did not want the Raiders in Los Angeles and it was never going to happen because of gang issues and just bad PR. It worked out perfectly for the NFL, ESK, is footing the bill and the Raiders are moving to Las Vegas, which makes them even more money.

 

[fearsomefour]

Yep and I feel like everyone knew that the business side was too good. That’s why I feel like if Stan and the NfL would have been straight forward things would have went better and maybe the city would have turned their attention to trying to get the Chargers. I know a lot of this turmoil could have been avoided with honesty

Honesty, is seems, is not how the NFL likes to operate. It’s an extremely exclusive club with 32 members with a paid for commissioner.

 

[OldSchool]

Ok bowing out before this turns ugly.

 

[coconut]

Yeah, we'll see how that ends up because I'm sure it's going to get appealed a half dozen times.

Unlikely. From- https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...tback-scotus-unlikely-to-hear-case/ar-AAItTQt


The two sides previously appealed a Missouri Supreme Court decision that concluded settlement negotiations between the team and plaintiffs would be heard in a St. Louis courtroom rather than privately through arbitration.
Unfortunately for the league and the team, a ruling to deny a stay in the case by the United States Supreme Court on Tuesday makes it clear that the public will soon find out the details. Said ruling also likely confirms that SCOTUS will not hear the case.

 

[coconut]

Lol yep and again and again until one side say forget it

No it will be settled one way (expensive) or another (very expensive and very embarrassing).

 

[coconut]

The NFL did not want the Raiders in Los Angeles and it was never going to happen because of gang issues and just bad PR. It worked out perfectly for the NFL, ESK, is footing the bill and the Raiders are moving to Las Vegas, which makes them even more money.

Perfectly? Nuh uh.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

OK, let's take time off from the LA/Stl discussion and quickly thank those who caused this problem to begin with: Ladies and gents, give it up for the NFL owners!

Back when Georgia attempted to move the team from LA to Stl, the league quickly shot her down.

But, she was getting such a good deal from Stl (since they were SCREWED out of NFL expansion by awarding the franchise to JACKSONVILLE instead, so had an empty stadium to fill), she paid them a ransom to let her move from LA.

Any negative coming from stadium overruns, or underestimated time to drum up fan support, yada yada yada, is falling on my deaf ears as I tell all of them to look in their mirrors and yell at themselves.

This was clearly a bad move (not only to me as a season ticket holder in Anaheim), but to every single sportswriter commenting on it nationwide (excluding Stl). It was always going to greatly damage the LA market for a future home team, always going to hurt the league, and they accepted their bribe and now have to live with it.

I, on the other hand, will enjoy my season tickets in the new digs even more, knowing all the clueless owners are questioning themselves about a decision they can't unwind.