“Our $6 billion stadium” the story.

[Dxmissile]

I just can’t feel sorry for them when this is a cluster fuck of their own makings. They should have kept it real with Saint Louis then they could have ironed everything out without secret votes and all that other BS. But when you do business shady their are always unforeseen consequences.

 

[PressureD41]

Still the Rams are lucky the Raiders didn't end up in LA, that would have been fatal for the Rams. JMO

 

[1maGoh]

Wow. Sucked me in. I read all 50k pages

They should make this into a netflix 5-season series...

They would have to cut too much out to make that article only 5 seasons.

 

[Selassie I]

A smart one evidently since he got Kreonke to pay for everything and he's getting a chunk of the revenue streams. He outsmarted Kroenke, who was in a hurry to get the vote done so he could move. Spanos cut a much better deal than I knew of previously by a big margin. He essentially positioned himself as a partner receiving a portion of revenues/profits for $1 a year.

A thought from me.........

The STL lawsuit has merit because they are right, and I think it was Amy Trask former COO for the Raiders said so in an interview as everything was going down in STL. They didn't meet their own guidelines for relocation, and now with 8 years of emails and communications being dug through it's going to prove that Kroenke violated the terms of the agreement with the city. The NFL is going to have a public relations nightmare on it's hand that could force Goodell out if his involvement is big enough. Sports talk radio will be all over this all across the country. This will be the Rams version of Bountygate/Spygate/Deflategate. It'll be discussed nonstop.

Another thought..........

If the NFL is surprised by the attendance issues they are thicker in the skull then even I had imagined. There will be downward pressure for this generation because of the region being transplants from all over the USA, but also everyone under the age of 25 and maybe even 30 that IS a local has probably selected a team to cheer for years and years ago while the franchise was in STL. Then add in the always present greed of ticket brokers. And they wonder why LA has major issues with opposing fans filling the stadium. However as long as the tickets sell I doubt if the NFL, or Kroenke for that matter, cares who fills the seats.

Wait until the Raiders move to Las Vegas. That stadium will be at least 50% fans of the opposing team.

@RamFan503 the article seems to claim the original figures and estimates were terribly wrong, and with a 14BIL project at LAX competing for construction materials prices have increased. I know you said you didn't read it, and it's certainly a long read, but it's worth it.

He didn't outsmart anybody.

The charity he is being given is basically table scraps and it will not last forever. His free lunches will be snatched away at some point. No question about it.

 

[Psycho_X]

It just seems too easy for the NFL to fix this by simply telling Spanos to use his relocation fee towards a new stadium in San Diego and the nfl will subsidize the remaining cost and build a $900million-$1billion stadium which seems to be average cost for a modest but nice new one. Workout some tax incentives and land gifts from San Diego and get it done.

Or at least that’s what they should have done three years ago. Might be too late but I can’t help think the nfl and spanos lost money by not doing that. Was really piss poor management by everyone involved.

 

[coconut]

In addition to money the St. Louis lawsuit wants to get Kroenke on the stand. Same with Goodell. Air all that dirty laundry. Give the liars the nationwide stage they fear. Kroenke could have left without the level of acrimony if he'd been honest about his intentions and not leaving in the scorched earth manner in which he did. The NFL got sucked in to the lie to return to LA on Kroenke's dime. Now it could bite every owner in the ass.

 

[EastRam]

Oh my. I’m shocked that Dean got what he got.

Looks like someone will be moving to St. Louis.

 

[Loyal]

In addition to money the St. Louis lawsuit wants to get Kroenke on the stand. Same with Goodell. Air all that dirty laundry. Give the liars the nationwide stage they fear. Kroenke could have left without the level of acrimony if he'd been honest about his intentions and not leaving in the scorched earth manner in which he did. The NFL got sucked in to the lie to return to LA on Kroenke's dime. Now it could bite every owner in the ass.

I was there step by step, and St Louis suspected heavily that Kroenke was leaving regardless of any attempt by them. We talked about it on Rams Stalk endlessly, with Shane Gray droning on about how the move could never happen in 2014-15. St Louis was appealing their Riverfront Stadium project to the NFL and not really to Stan Kroenke/Rams, to force the Rams to stay, for the record, I liked the Riverfront Stadium idea and could have lived with it.
Did Stan play hardball? No doubt. Did the CVA live up to their agreement with maintaining the Ed in the top tier status? No they didn't.

I don't really care if St Louis sues the socks off of Stan Kroenke, but lets not lie about his intentions when he first bought that 66 acres near the old race track Waaaay in the beginning. The "Los Angeles" Rams had a phone number back before anyone thought the Rams were leaving for LA (I found it). The Rams were leaving and St Louis/lawyers are just plain wrong or worse to say they didn't know Kroenke's intentions early on in his majority ownership period. It's about as honest as saying the Owners didn't know the Raiders would steal money from the LA area by selling PSL's for the Raiders in Vegas....

 

[Dxmissile]

I was there step by step, and St Louis suspected heavily that Kroenke was leaving regardless of any attempt by them. We talked about it on Rams Stalk endlessly, with Shane Gray droning on about how the move could never happen in 2014-15. St Louis was appealing their Riverfront Stadium project to the NFL and not really to Stan Kroenke/Rams, to force the Rams to stay, for the record, I liked the Riverfront Stadium idea and could have lived with it.
Did Stan play hardball? No doubt. Did the CVA live up to their agreement with maintaining the Ed in the top tier status? No they didn't.

I don't really care if St Louis sues the socks off of Stan Kroenke, but lets not lie about his intentions when he first bought that 66 acres near the old race track Waaaay in the beginning. The "Los Angeles" Rams had a phone number back before anyone thought the Rams were leaving for LA (I found it). The Rams were leaving and St Louis/lawyers are just plain wrong or worse to say they didn't know Kroenke's intentions early on in his majority ownership period. It's about as honest as saying the Owners didn't know the Raiders would steal money from the LA area by selling PSL's for the Raiders in Vegas....

Kroenke is on record saying he wasn’t moving the rams when in fact he was. The nfl is on record saying they was following their own relocation rules which in fact they wasn’t. So whether StL suspected or not the point is the nfl and Kroenke made StL jump through hoops kept feeding them lies and ideas when they was making their own Backdoor deals

 

[coconut]

I was there step by step, and St Louis suspected heavily that Kroenke was leaving regardless of any attempt by them. We talked about it on Rams Stalk endlessly, with Shane Gray droning on about how the move could never happen in 2014-15. St Louis was appealing their Riverfront Stadium project to the NFL and not really to Stan Kroenke/Rams, to force the Rams to stay, for the record, I liked the Riverfront Stadium idea and could have lived with it.
Did Stan play hardball? No doubt. Did the CVA live up to their agreement with maintaining the Ed in the top tier status? No they didn't.

I don't really care if St Louis sues the socks off of Stan Kroenke, but lets not lie about his intentions when he first bought that 66 acres near the old race track Waaaay in the beginning. The "Los Angeles" Rams had a phone number back before anyone thought the Rams were leaving for LA (I found it). The Rams were leaving and St Louis/lawyers are just plain wrong or worse to say they didn't know Kroenke's intentions early on in his majority ownership period. It's about as honest as saying the Owners didn't know the Raiders would steal money from the LA area by selling PSL's for the Raiders in Vegas....

Doesn't matter what St. Louis suspected. What matters is what Kroenke (and the NFL) did and when. That is why St. Louis is insisting it go to court. No arbitration. They want Kroenke on the stand. Good chance it will happen.

 

[max]

What I know is that the NFL is heavily invested in new LA stadium and if these teams both fail, they’ve got a big problem.

It’s shortsighted not to see that at least the Rams will increase in popularity in LA with time. There are lots of 10 year old kids wearing Cooper Kupp jerseys in LA, in about 10 years they will be filling the stadium.

Right now, the core LARams fan base is made up of those 10 year olds and 60 year olds who were there in the 70's and 80's and stuck with them.

 

[LesBaker]

He didn't outsmart anybody.

The charity he is being given is basically table scraps and it will not last forever. His free lunches will be snatched away at some point. No question about it.

He certainly got the deal of a lifetime.

$1 a year for what he's getting?

Kroenke gave up too much to close the deal.

I don't know why you think he will lose the "free lunches". He's got a contract. And he's got NFL revenues. He's making more than he would have in SD I bet.

This isn't table scraps, he's in line to make MAJOR cheddar.

 

[coconut]

Right now, the core LARams fan base is made up of those 10 year olds and 60 year olds who were there in the 70's and 80's and stuck with them.

Well paper route money and whats left after paying Medicare supplement insurance isn't filling that stadium with those types of fans now.

 

[coconut]

He certainly got the deal of a lifetime.

$1 a year for what he's getting?

Kroenke gave up too much to close the deal.

I don't know why you think he will lose the "free lunches". He's got a contract. And he's got NFL revenues. He's making more than he would have in SD I bet.

This isn't table scraps, he's in line to make MAJOR cheddar.

No doubt. Plus his team has significantly appreciated in value. Difficult to envision his losing on this deal.

 

[LesBaker]

It’s shortsighted not to see that at least the Rams will increase in popularity in LA with time. There are lots of 10 year old kids wearing Cooper Kupp jerseys in LA, in about 10 years they will be filling the stadium.

20 year old fans aren't going to fill up a stadium at the prices that will be coming. Most people in that age range might go to one, possibly 2 games a year.

The NFL is pricing itself out of fans wallets. There are a few reasons ticket brokers are making a killing and the NFL pricing game costs to the point that fans have to be upper middle class to see more than one game a year is a BIG driver and part of their business development and growth over the last several years.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

What I know is that the NFL is heavily invested in new LA stadium and if these teams both fail, they’ve got a big problem.
...

^ This.

Which is why I can't for the life of me understand why the NFL/Refs as a unit go out of their way to SCREW us (like all 10 50/50 judgement calls -- including the game winner -- going against the Rams in the Steelers game).

You'd think they'd at least land on FAIR officiating, which would put us at 8-2.

Yes, I was at the Hawks TNF game this year, and even though GZ missed the game winner, the Rams should never have been in that position with the key roughing the passer penalties they gifted RW.

So this is the quick and easy solution.

• Call the games fairly instead of trying to make up for the NFCC last season
• The Rams will win a few Super Bowls
• The Rams'll be in play along with Lakers/Dodgers/Kings and their championships
• NFL wins $$$

Simple, right?

 

[Ram65]

I hope at some point the Rams will have a home-field advantage in the new SoFi Stadium. The sooner the better.

Stan will make his money back; it may take a little longer. Opposing fans will buy tickets.

Spanos will make money but, the Chargers will have some empty seats.

NFL will keep going strong. This could be a small stain for them. The Chargers will fail in LA at some point.

The dirty laundry will come out in court.

 

[oldnotdead]

Does anyone hear the sound of a Chargers bankruptcy in the next 2 years? This is what I've been talking about. Spanos is in way over his head. He had multiple options and chances to build a stadium in San Diego. No palace like Inglewood, but none the less, a very good stadium. No instead he insisted upon the City GIVING HIM (AS IN FOR FREE) THE 166 ACRES THAT THE CURRENT STADIUM SITS ON SO HE COULD DEVELOP IT and include a modest stadium for his team. Obviously that was DOA, and he neglected to understand that the property isn't even owned by the City. He ignored the X Plan that would have packaged the property the City did own in the midway district where the old but still used Sports Arena resides in what is called the Midway Area. That plan called for the packaging for development both the stadium property and the Sports Arena property into one development project. The Midway area property would be developed as a mixed used high end residential and entertainment district. Revenue from that project would be used to support the stadium / sports arena. The plan would build an NFL stadium and Sports Arena similar in concept to the Staples Center in LA. The development would be funding would be almost entirely private via asset backed revenue streams with $200M coming from the Chargers towards their stadium. That $200M is $165M less than the NFL is charging the the team as a relocation fee in their LA move.

This option and others are still open to any buyer of the Chargers who would return to the only city where they have a fan base. San Diego will not welcome a Spanos owned franchise as he has burned that bridge permanently.

This is the type of stupid greed exemplified by Dean Spanos. That he never even considered this plan. Spanos would have had his own 70K seat stadium, the city would have a new Sports/entertainment venue and the city wouldn't have to play for it. That would have increased his team's value at least as much as the LA move has without the debt he's now in. When he sells the team like he's going to be forced to do he won't get top dollar for it. The NFL and Kroenke will get most of it and the lawyers will get the rest. Dean will be lucky to get Uber fare home.

This is just one of the several options he turned down in San Diego. It's why I've been saying Dean Spanos is the dumbest NFL owner in the NFL and the quality of his teams reflect it. The battle for LA was lost before the Chargers left San Diego.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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So does Stan make 85% of all income coming to the chargers from their games and such?

.

 

[coconut]

Does anyone hear the sound of a Chargers bankruptcy in the next 2 years? This is what I've been talking about. Spanos is in way over his head. He had multiple options and chances to build a stadium in San Diego. No palace like Inglewood, but none the less, a very good stadium. No instead he insisted upon the City GIVING HIM (AS IN FOR FREE) THE 166 ACRES THAT THE CURRENT STADIUM SITS ON SO HE COULD DEVELOP IT and include a modest stadium for his team. Obviously that was DOA, and he neglected to understand that the property isn't even owned by the City. He ignored the X Plan that would have packaged the property the City did own in the midway district where the old but still used Sports Arena resides in what is called the Midway Area. That plan called for the packaging for development both the stadium property and the Sports Arena property into one development project. The Midway area property would be developed as a mixed used high end residential and entertainment district. Revenue from that project would be used to support the stadium / sports arena. The plan would build an NFL stadium and Sports Arena similar in concept to the Staples Center in LA. The development would be funding would be almost entirely private via asset backed revenue streams with $200M coming from the Chargers towards their stadium. That $200M is $165M less than the NFL is charging the the team as a relocation fee in their LA move.

This option and others are still open to any buyer of the Chargers who would return to the only city where they have a fan base. San Diego will not welcome a Spanos owned franchise as he has burned that bridge permanently.

This is the type of stupid greed exemplified by Dean Spanos. That he never even considered this plan. Spanos would have had his own 70K seat stadium, the city would have a new Sports/entertainment venue and the city wouldn't have to play for it. That would have increased his team's value at least as much as the LA move has without the debt he's now in. When he sells the team like he's going to be forced to do he won't get top dollar for it. The NFL and Kroenke will get most of it and the lawyers will get the rest. Dean will be lucky to get Uber fare home.

This is just one of the several options he turned down in San Diego. It's why I've been saying Dean Spanos is the dumbest NFL owner in the NFL and the quality of his teams reflect it. The battle for LA was lost before the Chargers left San Diego.

Well for $1 he gets a 15% take in LA stadium revenue streams while the value of his team appreciates by $462 million. Not dumb.