Should Rams' Stedman Bailey be fined for his 'nap' celebration?

[Rmfnlt]

No offense, but the question wasn't addressed to you or about the rule specifically.
That said, you believe in the rule, I don't that's fine.
But the point of the question was Zaphod said he didn't believe there was a place for celebration and it was a division opponent.
Why is a sack dance any different? It's a celebration and quite frankly probably more exuberant than what Bailey did.
Just seems like a backwards rule.

Sorry, he didn't say celebration he said antics.

Well, I thought it was OK to reply to anything here... sorry if I screwed up.

I don't necessarily believe in the rule. But I will acknowledge it is a rule and, therefore, must be followed.

I don't know if it would have had an effect on the game had a personal foul actually been called. Glad we never had to find out.

But the Rams have got to stop this, IMO. They already have a reputation of playing "chippy"... just act like you've been there before.

I really like Bailey.... but was embarrassed by that move.

Guess I'm too old.

 

[Psycho_X]

I agree in penalties for celebrations that are directed at a player or in other players faces. But having fun by yourself after a good play is fine in my opinion and hate all the rules they have against some good ole celebrating. Having said all of that it is an official rule and he should be penalized for it. Even if it is a stupid rule all players have to be held to it.

 

[bwdenverram]

Well, I thought it was OK to reply to anything here... sorry if I screwed up.

I don't necessarily believe in the rule. But I will acknowledge it is a rule and, therefore, must be followed.

I don't know if it would have had an effect on the game had a personal foul actually been called. Glad we never had to find out.

But the Rams have got to stop this, IMO. They already have a reputation of playing "chippy"... just act like you've been there before.

I really like Bailey.... but was embarrassed by that move.

Guess I'm too old.

Sorry, didn't mean to come off like a jerk or anything. It just wasn't about the rule. I get that. If he broke it he broke it. I just don't agree with the rule is all I'm saying.
There is a TON of celebration that goes on during the course of a game that doesn't break rules. I just don't get the difference.
It's like officiating, no consistency. You know?

And you bring up a good point though. Should you really lose 15 yards because a guy celebrated for 4 seconds? In the grand scheme it didn't effect anything.

Not everyone is going to agree on this. That's ok. I just think as hard as these guys work and as much pain as they put there bodies through, who cares if they are happy for a few seconds.
Before all these rules went into effect it happened all the time. Did anyone really care then? Probably not.

 

[12intheBox]

Put in that light, it's hard to argue But while kids may not know what Cialis is, they understand the thrusting motion, which is even stranger in the faux homo-erotic context.

At some point, they are going to turn and look at you and say, what does "an erection lasting more than 4 hours" mean?

 

[Zaphod]

At some point, they are going to turn and look at you and say, what does "an erection lasting more than 4 hours" mean?

ROFLMAO, I'll cross that bridge when it comes

I think maybe Psycho_X put it best. Having played a sport, I think it's all about sportsmanship. Celebrating and gloating are two different things. Which is why I maintain that hockey always had that one aspect I always enjoyed as a player, you could either wipe that expression off of their face with a punch or a play, at least back then

And to me at least, fights are way more fun than gloating celebrations.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Having said all of that it is an official rule and he should be penalized for it. Even if it is a stupid rule all players have to be held to it.

Well said!

Sorry, didn't mean to come off like a jerk or anything. It just wasn't about the rule. I get that. If he broke it he broke it. I just don't agree with the rule is all I'm saying.
There is a TON of celebration that goes on during the course of a game that doesn't break rules. I just don't get the difference.
It's like officiating, no consistency. You know?

And you bring up a good point though. Should you really lose 15 yards because a guy celebrated for 4 seconds? In the grand scheme it didn't effect anything.

Not everyone is going to agree on this. That's ok. I just think as hard as these guys work and as much pain as they put there bodies through, who cares if they are happy for a few seconds.
Before all these rules went into effect it happened all the time. Did anyone really care then? Probably not.

No worries...

Here's my bottom line(s):
1] If a rule exists (no matter how silly it seems to the player), it's up to the coaching staff to make sure they follow those rules. It's called discipline.
2] I prefer my players to act like they've been there before (although my son had a pretty funny quip when I said that to him... he said "to be fair, the Rams offense hasn't been there much" ).
Love it when a player scores a TD and just hands the ball to the ref.

I'm old school and I know this is not today's NFL. But that rule is in effect and I'm glad the Rams didn't get penalized for it. If I'm Fisher? I talk to Bailey (and all the players) today about that. I tell them "we got lucky there... let's not do that any more".

 

[bwdenverram]

Well said!

No worries...

Here's my bottom line(s):
1] If a rule exists (no matter how silly it seems to the player), it's up to the coaching staff to make sure they follow those rules. It's called discipline.
2] I prefer my players to act like they've been there before (although my son had a pretty funny quip when I said that to him... he said "to be fair, the Rams offense hasn't been there much" ).
Love it when a player scores a TD and just hands the ball to the ref.

I'm old school and I know this is not today's NFL. But that rule is in effect and I'm glad the Rams didn't get penalized for it. If I'm Fisher? I talk to Bailey (and all the players) today about that. I tell them "we got lucky there... let's not do that any more".

Fair enough. You're right, rules a rule. As long as it's in place players must follow them. I just hope they allow for "some" level of celebration.
I think as long as you are not showing up anyone it should be ok. (within reason of course).

And you're son is right. Maybe if they score more often they won't need to act like they haven't been there

 

[Akrasian]

Fair enough. You're right, rules a rule. As long as it's in place players must follow them. I just hope they allow for "some" level of celebration.
I think as long as you are not showing up anyone it should be ok. (within reason of course).

Celebrations are allowed. You can't synchronize with other players (and I don't think any of us want to see a Rockettes style line in the end zone anytime soon). You can't be excessive in a taunting sort of way. You aren't supposed to be obscene. And relevant for Bailey - you can't use the ball as a prop. But just dancing around because you scored an important TD is fine.

 

[MrMotes]

Of all the things to be offended by, a player celebrating a TD is pretty low on my list.

Yeah Steadman got away with one, but it's a stupid and inconsequential rule.

The same thing happened in the Saints game: Saints player used the ball as part of his celebration, got a 15 yard penalty on the kickoff. Instead of a probable touchback, Dallas returned the kick to the 29, big whoop...

 

[RamWoodie]

Isn't the rule designed to silence taunting the other team? I'm not so sure this is going to be a fine for this reason:

1. He didn't direct it against the Cards players.

2. He wasn't overly demonstrative.

3. He did it by himself.

Yes...he did use the ball for a prop...but I don't think that was overly demonstrative either. I think there's some "wiggle room" on this one. Primarily because the officials didn't see it as a violation.

We wait...

 

[Memento]

Well...I don't think he should be fined. You don't want to be shown up by our team? Don't let us score. Don't let us get a key sack, pick, or fumble. It's really that simple.

I guess I feel that way because I miss the bob-n-weave so much...

 

[FrankenRam]

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We're 2-2, not GSOT, and while I understand the need for a good celebration, I just don't think those antics have any place, especially when you're playing a division rival in a close game.

I'm inclined to agree. I can understand the desire to celebrate at big points in a game. But some of these guys seem to need to celebrate every time they do something good, but fairly routine.....and exactly what they're getting paid to do.

So, the NFL might be a little over aggressive on the subject from a big picture, but IMO, they're only responding to an over abundance of celebratory nonsense. After all, it's the NFL, not Dancing with the Stars.

 

[A.J. Hicks]

I grabbed my head immediately saying "Dangit Bailey, don't get us a penalty" I was so relieved when the refs didn't throw the flag.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Eh, technically it broke the rules, but it shouldn't really be a fine, its not a big deal really.. Wasn't an in your face thing. However that writer is high of his ass if he thinks a bunch of fans who can hardly afford to go to the games should pay a millionaire ball players 8,000 dollar fine.

 

[rhinobean]

Now can we talk about the PI on Jenkins yesterday? :eek:

 

[VFerragamo]

Act like you've been there before Stedman....

 

[RamWoodie]

Now can we talk about the PI on Jenkins yesterday? :eek:

Not only JJ...but also the call on Tru...even though it was offset due to the holding call.

The NFL has HANDCUFFED the DB long enough!!! As I've said...being a DB is *just about* become the art of letting the WR run down the field with no contact and just being in a position to tackle them.

It beyond ridiculous...they've given the clear advantage to the WR!

 

[A.J. Hicks]

Now can we talk about the PI on Jenkins yesterday? :eek:

I can see the reasoning behind the call, he didn't get his head around. But man I didn't agree with the call. He didn't body up he just got his hand up in his face.

You have Mathieu doing the same thing on Cooks should have been TD and not too even come close to mentioning Peterson on Britt late in the game.

 

[A.J. Hicks]

Tru also got called for a hold early in the game that was ridiculous. He had no contact after 5 yards.

 

[HX76]

Is the ball deemed a "prop" after a touchdown if it's given to a fan, spiked, slam dunked or made to spin on the floor like some make it do? Just wondering that's all.