Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[jrry32]

Not gonna lie I'd still be tempted by Kellen Mond if I see him round three. I really like him. Of course that would be a dumb thing to do when those picks can help us win games now. Guess it depends on how many holes they fill before the draft.

Kellen Mond in Round 3? Nah. Maybe in Round 5 or 6.

 

[So Ram]

Kellen Mond in Round 3? Nah. Maybe in Round 5 or 6.

I don’t get over to the draft side of things. I do remember when that wasn’t as much of a thing.You’ve had a few good calls over the years.Cooper Kupp was one of them.The Rams have down well with him.

Stafford’s the guy now
Wolford-got some amazing experience in 2020.-Jefferson & Wol
Perkins- any take ?? He had a valuable NFL season.
Where do The Rams go & do you have a quick Rams Mock ? Thanks

 

[XXXIVwin]

I think going the Andy Reid route would have been better.

Aw c’mon... so the “better route” would have been to plan on selecting a QB like Mahomes, the most amazing QB talent of a generation? That’s not a “plan”, that’s just saying “I hope to win the draft lottery.”

And I’m glad you have a lot of trust in McVay to scout for a talented college QB who’s got a ton of arm talent, high football IQ, cerebral, and doesn’t make unnecessary mistakes. Given that, I’m kinda surprised you don’t give McVay that same benefit of the doubt when scouting a veteran QB (like Stafford).

 

[FrantikRam]

I believe they call this the pot calling the kettle black.



Actually, I'm not. I'm not going to call Stafford a failure if he fails to lead us to a Super Bowl. I am talking about the trade, not the player. We didn't make this trade to win 10 games and go to the playoffs. We were already doing that. We traded away all that draft capital along with a winning starting QB for a much older player to win a Super Bowl. That was the goal of the move. If we end up in the same spot we were in with Goff, it wasn't worth the trade. We could have kept Goff, used those first round picks, and still have been a competitive team. This is a Super Bowl or bust trade.

If our defense is worse next year and Goff doesn't do well in Detroit, we would have been much worse here with him next year too.

 

[FrantikRam]

I should respond to this point. I am willing to mortgage the future on a young QB, when I have a long-term franchise QB, or when I believe I can win a Super Bowl. Mortgaging the future isn't always a bad idea. I think it's smart to mortgage the future on a QB prospect you believe will be a franchise QB when you aren't in position to draft one. I think it's smart to mortgage the future for a MVP-caliber QB when you don't have one. And I think it's acceptable to mortgage the future for a young, superstar non-QB when you have a franchise QB.

I didn't have an issue with them mortgaging the future on Ramsey because he was young and I thought Goff was our long-term guy. The juice was worth the squeeze. I didn't have an issue with them mortgaging the future on Goff because I felt it was worth it to go after a potential franchise QB. Had we mortgaged the future for Aaron Rodgers, I would have cheered on the deal. My issue is that I don't think Stafford was worth it. He wasn't worth the borrowing we did against the future. But I've already explained my reasoning on that, so I won't bore you by rehashing myself.

My issue with the statement 'mortgaging the future' is that it's just not true. It looks like the 2020 draft class is going to be awesome and that was after the Ramsey trade. We were also the third youngest team in the NFL this year.

 

[FrantikRam]

Stafford is 33, with multiple injuries just last year, and under contract for a whopping two years. We gave up our starting qb who has a far better record, won a playoff game this year, and was under contract for multiple years. We also gave up two first round picks and a third.

That's a win now deal. Given what we gave up, and that we made it into the NFC semi-finals with Goff, there's nothing remotely unfair about holding Stafford and the team to higher expectations.

We acquired a better QB so I have higher expectations for the team. No issue with that.

Winning a Super Bowl is really, really hard and often requires some luck along the way (i.e. for Tampa, who knows what happens if the Chiefs aren't missing their two starting tackles, or if we beat the Jets and they end up having to play us in the playoffs).

My issue is with people saying the trade is a failure if we don't win the Super Bowl. There are so many things beyond Stafford's control. I'm sure many would change their tune if it actually happened, but if we made it and both our starting tackles got injured, this trade obviously would not have been a failure.

It also makes no sense to compare this to the 2018 team. That team was the best in the NFL (for a QB) while Stafford might have that luxury, its not likely to be the same caliber of OL or running game. If the situations end up being similar I'll have no problem going in on Stafford.

 

[FrantikRam]

If our defense is worse next year and Goff doesn't do well in Detroit, we would have been much worse here with him next year too.

Saw your point about the better draft pick in another response

 

[Tano]

I have thought about the trade a lot and to me the only way it can be considered a success if our health remains similar to 2020 is if we score on average 5 points more a game this year.
Between 2 & 5 - breakeven
Between 1 & 2 - not great
Less than 1 - absolute failure

I was against the trade but if we score more than 2 points a game higher on average - I will be okay with it.

I don't care if other people are completely against me on this but that's how I am going to rate this trade.

 

[dieterbrock]

It's been Superbowl or bust since they lost to Atlanta in 1st round of playoffs back in 2017, so I dont see how this trade nullifies that.
2020 was a bit of a rebuild year, after shockingly not making the playoffs they took cap hit to remove Gurley & Cooks, and started over on the D side with a new DC. The offense strategy was supposed to be different, McVay had been saying all off season they were envisioning a more ball control, running back by committee approach. And then Goff had his worst season.
Still and all, there they were in the divisional round on the road, trailing by only 7 points in the 4th Q with the leader of their D incapacitated and the QB with a busted thumb,
So yeah, the bar for 2021 has been raised.
And its still Superbowl or bust.
The thing is that Stafford can come in and have a great season, but if they dont win the Superbowl as a result, the trade was a waste.
Not understanding why some cant see that. The Rams are all in, have pushed all their chips to the center. Because they have one primary goal.
Stafford can be a successful upgrade while the trade can be a failure. It's not mutually exclusive

 

[FrantikRam]

I have thought about the trade a lot and to me the only way it can be considered a success if our health remains similar to 2020 is if we score on average 5 points more a game this year.
Between 2 & 5 - breakeven
Between 1 & 2 - not great
Less than 1 - absolute failure

I was against the trade but if we score more than 2 points a game higher on average - I will be okay with it.

I don't care if other people are completely against me on this but that's how I am going to rate this trade.

IMO that's fair.

I also agree with the premise that every year is Super Bowl or bust with a team as talented as ours.

We can also paint every other move as a failure if we don't win the Super Bowl.

And prior to being a contender, we can view the trade up to get Goff as a massive failure - with the fifth pick in the draft that the Titans used on Corey Davis, we could have drafted Watson or Mahomes.

 

[G-Ram-#1]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlddGTuGAbs

 

[Allen2McVay]

I believe they call this the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps but does it extend as far as What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander?

 

[FrantikRam]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlddGTuGAbs

What's funny about takes like these is that the guys never go back and revisit the trade after the fact.

The Titans "haul" that they got from us eventually turned into a few average starters and one difference maker: Derrick Henry.

But, they could have stayed pat and taken Josey Bosa and still gotten Derrick Henry with their second round pick. Those two picks would have likely been better for their organization than the picks that they actually made.

The Rams also could have not made the trade and then drafted Patrick Mahomes the next season.

Both franchises would have been better off without the trade in this situation. And you can probably do the same thing for most trades in NFL history, because every team has passed on an elite player in the draft. 12 teams passed on the best defensive player in the league today. Several teams passed on the best QB in the NFL today.

But if you asked Rams fans and Titans fans if they're happy with their organizations today, they both would mostly say yes.

I'd love if an outlet starts holding people accountable for their takes.

 

[JonRam99]

Winning a Super Bowl is really, really hard and often requires some luck along the way (i.e. for Tampa, who knows what happens if the Chiefs aren't missing their two starting tackles, or if we beat the Jets and they end up having to play us in the playoffs).

Still hacked at this team for losing to the Jets. We could've at least kept Tom "if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'" Brady from getting another crappy ring.

 

[jrry32]

Perhaps but does it extend as far as What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander?

It takes two to tango.

 

[jrry32]

My issue with the statement 'mortgaging the future' is that it's just not true. It looks like the 2020 draft class is going to be awesome and that was after the Ramsey trade. We were also the third youngest team in the NFL this year.

Well, it is true. The phrase means to borrow heavily against the future, and that's what we did.

 

[Corbin]

 

[Merlin]

The thing is that Stafford can come in and have a great season, but if they dont win the Superbowl as a result, the trade was a waste.

Agreed and the Rams have said as much. That this trade was about winning the Super Bowl. If it wasn't they might as well hang on to Goff and hope he gets better.

But they don't have to win it this year. That would be nice but they could win it next year or the year after and this trade still works.

 

[NJRamsFan]

I just wanna get back to the feeling the 2018 rams gave me. Like when we didn’t get a 30+ yd play the defense just got lucky. Or when we didn’t score on the first possession I was genuinely surprised.

ya hear that Stafford? Get to it!

 

[NJRamsFan]

Agreed and the Rams have said as much. That this trade was about winning the Super Bowl. If it wasn't they might as well hang on to Goff and hope he gets better.

But they don't have to win it this year. That would be nice but they could win it next year or the year after and this trade still works.

Agreed. And honestly even if we resign Stafford and he delivers 4 years from now still worth it IMO.