Kyren Williams

[El Chapo Jr]

Funny thing is that most times when there is a debate, the side that accuses others of "hurt feelings" or "being sensitive or triggered" is one who is actually the one exhibiting that
Alas, its a Rams board so I dont think its ever strange to see Rams fans defending Rams players

Trust me when I say I don't take things to heart here so maybe I'm one of the few? I honestly dunno. BIt's a fan forum so I fully expect some people to be like nah you're wrong, give a lil shit as long as its not too off road, which is totally fine and just reality. I can't speak for others unless they make it clear in there comments. Its one thing to defend a Rams player but to passionately defend Kyren while trying to dump on Rams greats or telling someone, I'm sure McVay reads El Chapo's post for great advice, then yeah those folks are in their feelings.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

That's actually not a bad idea however what kind of trade comp would be expected in return? Rams spent a 3rd rounder on Corum while Chargers used a 1st on Hampton. Doesnt sound like hes out for the year either

I'm a big no there. I doubt we'd get much return on a 2nd year running back. Plus this affects our depth while Corum is still on a cheap contract. I will add that if the Chargers are inclined to overpay in the eyes of the Rams, then I would understand that. I'm just don't see it happening tho.

 

[Jacobarch]

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Williams as a mountain climber.

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Can't be. That dude hung on

 

[JonRam99]

Faulk dominated. He made DCs stay up at night and the rest woke up in cold sweats. Dickerson dominated. He was our offense, such that it was, and single handedly got some teams deep into the playoffs. Gurley could turn any touch into six.

Stop comparing Williams to fucking greats. He's not a great. He's a good back who has a fucking fumbling problem.

I'm not 100% sure he's got a "fumbling problem", any moreso than other backs I've seen in the last 5 games--King Henry with 2 in one recent game. I've seen great RB's lately having some "fumbling issues". And the one on the goal line, where he literally got punched in the head w/ no flag? take that off his stat sheet. It doesn't count to me.
That said, no he's not "dominating" but what he brings to this team is a guy who will find you those 5-7 yards you need. No he won't go the distance, but he's a "closer"--you need 5-7 yards, you need to grind out the clock, he's your guy 100%. We all remember how S-Jax got shoe-string tackled in the back field many times. When we need 5-7 yards? KW > SJ. But when we need a back to dominate a game & put the team on his back? SJ > KW, for sure.
Cut him? bench him?? no way. But rotate him w/ Blake & Hunter? Absolutely. We have a GREAT RB rotation for once.
I guess I'm saying I'm not done with him yet.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Can't be. That dude hung on

But we didn't see if he did before he was down. I'm throwing the red flag anyways just in case he didn't!

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I'm not 100% sure he's got a "fumbling problem", any moreso than other backs I've seen in the last 5 games--King Henry with 2 in one recent game. I've seen great RB's lately having some "fumbling issues". And the one on the goal line, where he literally got punched in the head w/ no flag? take that off his stat sheet. It doesn't count to me.
That said, no he's not "dominating" but what he brings to this team is a guy who will find you those 5-7 yards you need. No he won't go the distance, but he's a "closer"--you need 5-7 yards, you need to grind out the clock, he's your guy 100%. We all remember how S-Jax got shoe-string tackled in the back field many times. When we need 5-7 yards? KW > SJ. But when we need a back to dominate a game & put the team on his back? SJ > KW, for sure.
Cut him? bench him?? no way. But rotate him w/ Blake & Hunter? Absolutely. We have a GREAT RB rotation for once.
I guess I'm saying I'm not done with him yet.

Thank you for saying rotate because it's essentially another way for saying what I was saying. He should lose or better yet share more touches. I personally don't get how McVay can be like Kyren fumbled but I'm gonna keep him in the game to not crush his confidence but does the opposite to Corum and benches him right away. Would love to see Hunter get a couple runs here and there to see if we can use his speed to our advantage.

 

[DzRams]

SO Funny!! You know what might make sense is The Rams trade Blake Corum to the Chargers.

I know about the depth The Rams have,but since signing Williams & having Hunter as the backup maybe the way to go ??

The Rams would have to get at least a 3rd rd pick for him.Blake Corum the last 2 games has shown he has talent,but also struggles at times as well.He has trouble blocking & can’t catch the ball all that well.

The Rams have Ronnie Rivers on the practice squad.Some might say Heck NO,but my point was J.Hunter was a VALUE PICK & INSURANCE if Kyren was to hold out or cause problems.

Blake played for Harbaugh & his value to the Chargers would be worth more to them than any other NFL TEAM !!

Interesting idea!

Back in the real world, we get a 6th for Corum. Still worth it?

 

[Merlin]

I'm not 100% sure he's got a "fumbling problem", any moreso than other backs I've seen in the last 5 games--King Henry with 2 in one recent game. I've seen great RB's lately having some "fumbling issues". And the one on the goal line, where he literally got punched in the head w/ no flag? take that off his stat sheet. It doesn't count to me.
That said, no he's not "dominating" but what he brings to this team is a guy who will find you those 5-7 yards you need. No he won't go the distance, but he's a "closer"--you need 5-7 yards, you need to grind out the clock, he's your guy 100%. We all remember how S-Jax got shoe-string tackled in the back field many times. When we need 5-7 yards? KW > SJ. But when we need a back to dominate a game & put the team on his back? SJ > KW, for sure.
Cut him? bench him?? no way. But rotate him w/ Blake & Hunter? Absolutely. We have a GREAT RB rotation for once.
I guess I'm saying I'm not done with him yet.

Great RBs can get away with more fumbles than a good RB. So all this comparison of "well great RB x has y fumbles in z games" bullshit is a pointless argument.

If Williams doesn't fix these fumbles the Rams will start giving more carries to the other backs on the depth chart. And the moment one of them steps up, assuming one of them can step up, Williams will lose his role as the lead back for this offense.

Fans can muddy the waters all they want but it doesn't change the truth of how this will go down if he doesn't fix this problem. It's like the Pope denying that the earth rotates around the sun. The opinion isn't going to change the end result.

Best case scenario for the Rams and for all of us is that Williams fixes this shit. He's a damn good back. But he is not elite, and he will not have that type of rope given to him with this issue.

 

[dieterbrock]

Interesting idea!

Back in the real world, we get a 6th for Corum. Still worth it?

I think if we still had Shrader on the PS it might be

 

[DzRams]

...And the moment one of them steps up, assuming one of them can step up...

IMO, this is the issue. I'm skeptical we have a guy who can step up and surpass KW. I think they recognized that Corum is not that guy which is why they extended Kyren.

 

[So Ram]

Interesting idea!

Back in the real world, we get a 6th for Corum. Still worth it?

No on a 6th rd pick,but the Chargers have to see how much having a solid RB Harbaugh knows is worth to them.

 

[Giles]

Not there are people pointing out his costly fumbles and some people don't like that.

I won't speak for anyone else but I can live with the fumbles when the rb is averaging, almost 1400 total yards and 15 tds a season. In the same way, I can live with the occasional bone headed pick from Stafford. That type of production isn't easy to replace over something that's coachable imo.

 

[Merlin]

IMO, this is the issue. I'm skeptical we have a guy who can step up and surpass KW. I think they recognized that Corum is not that guy which is why they extended Kyren.

Possibly true. But there are other options they can turn to if they must. As opposed to CB for example.

What frustrates me with Corum is his speed hasn't translated. So he's been outcompeted by a back who is all-in and who has great instincts in traffic. He did sort of flash the other game. I had about written him off too at that point and was hoping it would continue. But meh.

Hunter feels like our best hope if KW can't fix things. But if he does then we're in great shape. Let's see if they can get this fixed.

 

[DzRams]

Possibly true. But there are other options they can turn to if they must. As opposed to CB for example.

What frustrates me with Corum is his speed hasn't translated. So he's been outcompeted by a back who is all-in and who has great instincts in traffic. He did sort of flash the other game. I had about written him off too at that point and was hoping it would continue. But meh.

Hunter feels like our best hope if KW can't fix things. But if he does then we're in great shape. Let's see if they can get this fixed.

I like the running ability Corum has flashed, but I'm super concerned about his hands and his pass protection. I'd don't see McVay trusting him with a lot more snaps if he doesn't show improvement in those categories.

I have high hopes for Hunter, but not expecting anything for this year.

This year we have KW.

 

[pvtdragon39]

Trust me when I say I don't take things to heart here so maybe I'm one of the few? I honestly dunno. BIt's a fan forum so I fully expect some people to be like nah you're wrong, give a lil shit as long as its not too off road, which is totally fine and just reality. I can't speak for others unless they make it clear in there comments. Its one thing to defend a Rams player but to passionately defend Kyren while trying to dump on Rams greats or telling someone, I'm sure McVay reads El Chapo's post for great advice, then yeah those folks are in their feelings.

So Im shitting on Rams Greats when im pointing out the Facts, that Kyren Has the same amount of fumbles, or less than the greats in the Same 3 seasons in the NFL. He also has the same amount of stats as them, in almost a half a season less than them, and almost 130 carries less than them.

Yes, I undstand they could take it to the house because of thier speed but im not shitting on them because im pointing out the same facts. If hes Matching them in stats with no speed, Less attempts, and less games then what the hell?

We can absolutley compare Kyren to greats because his stats match them or better in same timeframe. Some argue because they have speed and were a nightmare? Yes but it took Gurely and S-Jax 4-5 Seasons in the league to be that nightmare and not fumble. Dickerson had a fumble problem. One thing is for sure that this O'line is a fucking nightmare, and the fact that Kyren can do anything is a wonder without speed!

You laugh and a few others laugh at it but the pace hes going, hes going to be top 10 in every rams category in a few games all-time! Another Season or Two he will be Top 5!

 

[dieterbrock]

I won't speak for anyone else but I can live with the fumbles when the rb is averaging, almost 1400 total yards and 15 tds a season.

Not to mention, elite pass pro

 

[El Chapo Jr]

So Im shitting on Rams Greats when im pointing out the Facts, that Kyren Has the same amount of fumbles, or less than the greats in the Same 3 seasons in the NFL. He also has the same amount of stats as them, in almost a half a season less than them, and almost 130 carries less than them.

Yes, I undstand they could take it to the house because of thier speed but im not shitting on them because im pointing out the same facts. If hes Matching them in stats with no speed, Less attempts, and less games then what the hell?

We can absolutley compare Kyren to greats because his stats match them or better in same timeframe. Some argue because they have speed and were a nightmare? Yes but it took Gurely and S-Jax 4-5 Seasons in the league to be that nightmare and not fumble. Dickerson had a fumble problem. One thing is for sure that this O'line is a fucking nightmare, and the fact that Kyren can do anything is a wonder without speed!

You laugh and a few others laugh at it but the pace hes going, hes going to be top 10 in every rams category in a few games all-time! Another Season or Two he will be Top 5!

By including them in the conversation and comparing, yes definitely shitting on the greats. Kyren is not in their realm. The only thing I'll say is his story is still being written but I'm willing to bet he will still be ranked below them when all is said and done. Kyren isn't even being paid like a top back so that should tell you even the Rams don't view him as that. Using stats alone doesn't solidify him as a great. Best football example, Gayle Sayers, whose career was cut short by injury is considered amongst the greats although their are many backs with better accumulated stats. How teams game plan for a back, the impact on the game, the eye test, even the team circumstances all point towards Kyren not being a great vs Gurley or SJ. Kyren has the benefit of also playing under McVay and with Matt Stafford while the Rams are actually good. Gurley played under Jeff Fisher and his high school offense until McVay waa eventually hired with Goff being spoon fed by McVay. SJ was super impressive because if you think this line is a mess, go check out those SJ teams. The Rams were straight trash and a laughing stalk in those times. Once again, context matters. This conversation is just crazy

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I won't speak for anyone else but I can live with the fumbles when the rb is averaging, almost 1400 total yards and 15 tds a season. In the same way, I can live with the occasional bone headed pick from Stafford. That type of production isn't easy to replace over something that's coachable imo.

I hope they can coach it out of him but so far its hasn't happened. I get there's no guarantee anyone's production can ever be replaced but he needs to clean it up big time. Sharing the load as someone said should happen a bit more but of course Kyren should be the RB1. The problem is when you mention that, there's this all or nothing crowd that doesn't like that. Its weird to me but whatever, everyone has their own thoughts and to each their own.

 

[Giles]

I hope they can coach it out of him but so far its hasn't happened. I get there's no guarantee anyone's production can ever be replaced but he needs to clean it up big time. Sharing the load as someone said should happen a bit more but of course Kyren should be the RB1. The problem is when you mention that, there's this all or nothing crowd that doesn't like that. Its weird to me but whatever, everyone has their own thoughts and to each their own.

I'm personally always for a 2 back system but only if the 2nd back can give similar results as the primary. We don't have that. Corum is not very good in Pass Pro or the receiving gm, which limits the offense when he's given opportunities. So I see why their is some pushback. Right now hell or high water kyren is by far and away the best option we have and his production speaks for itself.

 

[pvtdragon39]

By including them in the conversation and comparing, yes definitely shitting on the greats. Kyren is not in their realm. The only thing I'll say is his story is still being written but I'm willing to bet he will still be ranked below them when all is said and done. Kyren isn't even being paid like a top back so that should tell you even the Rams don't view him as that. Using stats alone doesn't solidify him as a great. Best football example, Gayle Sayers, whose career was cut short by injury is considered amongst the greats although their are many backs with better accumulated stats. How teams game plan for a back, the impact on the game, the eye test, even the team circumstances all point towards Kyren not being a great vs Gurley or SJ. Kyren has the benefit of also playing under McVay and with Matt Stafford while the Rams are actually good. Gurley played under Jeff Fisher and his high school offense until McVay waa eventually hired with Goff being spoon fed by McVay. SJ was super impressive because if you think this line is a mess, go check out those SJ teams. The Rams were straight trash and a laughing stalk in those times. Once again, context matters. This conversation is just crazy

Not when the Guy is about to be in Top 10 in less than 3 full seasons in your entire team history is not shitting on them if you compare.

You know whats funny you mention that, MVP runner up season for Gurley happens to be under, you guessed it, Mcvay! Any player will benefit with mcvay.

Just pointing out hes on pace with them or faster pace than them. Its the same as you guys comparing Kupp, and Puka all the time. Or Stafford,Warner, and Goff all the time.

The reason why teams dont Game plan for the run, is because they know Mcvay abandons the run all the fucking time. Even when Kyren Marches down the field. He gets multiple first downs easy then we pass it and fail.

This team currently is getting beat by High School lines at this point, so the question is are we really that good as you think?

What I do agree with however is we do need to find a solid #2. I don't care if it's Hunter at this point.