Not there are people pointing out his costly fumbles and some people don't like that.
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He does fumble. No way around that. He's one more costly fumble from the bench I think. Will be interesting to see if the rookie gets some action in this next game
El Chapo Jr
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It's not talking in circles if I'm pointing out you can't know if anyone could outproduce, match, or fall short of Kyren if given the opportunities because Kyren has basically taken them all. That's also why I pointed out that unknown can be debated til forever because its a guessing game in that regard. I hope you don't think I want to debate that because I'll leave that to someone else. Guess I'll also state again that he's our RB so I'm not one of those bench him guys. He's showing me he's exactly the guy I'd rather not have the ball in crucial moments since he has been fumbling lately at the worst time. I don't know how he'll show he's improving his ball security but he needs to do that before just being given the reins back for those plays. Not saying its an easy thing to do, but that's up to the Rams to figure out. With that said, I'm confident the Rams could find a better RB than Kyren but they'll never really targeted that in the draft. They just don't spend high draft picks on them so there's that too lol.....by the way, agree that it would be nice to have that crystal ball hahaha
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pvtdragon39
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Some of us are just also pointing out he has the same amount of fumbles or less through 3 seasons as all of our greats and out pacing thier production through said seasons, and some people dont like the facts back. They want to choose who to accept thats its OK to fumble.
Im sorry but if its ok for Faulk to fumble 15 times in his 3 seasons, Gurley to fumble 10 in 3 seasons or , S-Jax to fumble 10 in 3 seasons, What makes it different that Kyren cant be a great back because of this? I dont get this selective bs. Did they Get benched or limited snaps because of them? Not in the slightest. If anything they increased and kept fumbling for a few years and they learned after awhile.
I think it should be a penalty otherwise players would routinely punch people in the head (especially Jalen Hurts on the Tush push).
I know the head slap was banned due to Deacon Jones.
What's the difference between a head slap and a punch to the head?
pvtdragon39
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22 Backs in 8 Years were used. Dont tell me others didnt have chances. 17 were the last 5 years and Kyren Doubled thier production almost Combined!
You're also ingnoring the fact of he has the same amount of fumbles or less than all of our greats in thier first 3 years, but its not ok for Kyren to fumble, but was for them. Selective BS!
pvtdragon39
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What if he already has carried the ball around all day and had the guys work on him in practice and he still fumbles. The great ones fumble too. We just aren't sure anymore with kyren are we?
I would say Will Smith at the Oscars vs Will Smith as Ali.
El Chapo Jr
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I don't get why people keep bringing up the head slap. So what the Refs missed it, if Williams had both hands on the ball the entire time, I doubt he fumbles. Even if he doesn't get a TD he's at least on the half yard line and you live to play another down.
KW fumbles, so what, it happens, it's really when he fumbles that's the problem. IN MY OPINION, I think he's trying to do too much, trying to be the guy that saves the day, and I get it. But by doing that he puts the team in harms way. There's no way to know for certain that his fumble actually cost the game. Say he scores, so what? The defense was swiss cheese and looked like actual garbage pretty much the entire night. I wouldn't have put it past the rams to let the 69ers march down the field with 30 seconds left and score a TD. I just wouldn't.
KW fumbles, so what, it happens, it's really when he fumbles that's the problem. IN MY OPINION, I think he's trying to do too much, trying to be the guy that saves the day, and I get it. But by doing that he puts the team in harms way. There's no way to know for certain that his fumble actually cost the game. Say he scores, so what? The defense was swiss cheese and looked like actual garbage pretty much the entire night. I wouldn't have put it past the rams to let the 69ers march down the field with 30 seconds left and score a TD. I just wouldn't.
They were swiss cheese within 10 yards. I doubt they would be able to go down the field in 30 seconds throwing 8 yard passes.
They would most likely have to do a hail mary.
Now that I can't say they would or wouldn't be able to complete.
El Chapo Jr
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There no lies the rub, what ultimately costs the game? Kyren certainly contributed big time to this loss but so did that shit of a defensive plan Shula came up with. I know I may be making it sound like an easy fix with Kyren but it most certainly isn't. I'm more so discussing my opinion and nothing else. Will be curious to see what the Rams do moving forward to address all the issues. I just hope I can survive almost having a fuckin heart attack watching this team play every week hahaha
I’m pro Kyren, so are his team, so are his coaches, and, if memory serves me right, so are his peers who helped make him a second team all-pro. If he keeps up this pace he will probably be voted back in the pro-bowl. More should be said about his blocking because it’s sensational
All RBs fumble, hell, Eric Dickerson did, sometimes on multiple occasions in the same game, so I wonder if Kyren’s problems are not overblown. Perhaps last season was an aberration? He has lost one this year, correct? Possibly two (but was that the one where the snap and handoff went wrong? If so, that was not on him). One, on the goal line, stands out for sure when he transferred it to reach out over the line. So that one is explainable, understandable and fixable…
He had 0 fumbles in 2022, 3 in 2023, and 5 in 2024, with 2 fumbles in the current 2025 season, but possibly 1 of those was not his fault…
On the one, we are all sore about, that was on Kyren, there was a non-call on the blow to his helmet
As with the playoff loss, he helped put us in a position to win despite his fumbling error
All RBs fumble, hell, Eric Dickerson did, sometimes on multiple occasions in the same game, so I wonder if Kyren’s problems are not overblown. Perhaps last season was an aberration? He has lost one this year, correct? Possibly two (but was that the one where the snap and handoff went wrong? If so, that was not on him). One, on the goal line, stands out for sure when he transferred it to reach out over the line. So that one is explainable, understandable and fixable…
He had 0 fumbles in 2022, 3 in 2023, and 5 in 2024, with 2 fumbles in the current 2025 season, but possibly 1 of those was not his fault…
On the one, we are all sore about, that was on Kyren, there was a non-call on the blow to his helmet
As with the playoff loss, he helped put us in a position to win despite his fumbling error
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pvtdragon39
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Why do I need help when you can just look up the truth yourself? You are ignorant to the truth and dont like it pointed out to you! You need the help period.Damn you really need help man
pvtdragon39
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Since you cant be bothered with the truth! these are first 3 season with rams!Damn you really need help man
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Different game you can't compare. And we all thought guys like ED fumbled too much he just did such better that it was over looked.
pvtdragon39
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Maybe thats Mcvays thinking? Just Keep using him until Mcvay gets sick of it, or Kyren learns like the others did? Seemed to work with them to give them the ball more.