Harvin Traded to Jets

[OC_Ram]

Did harvin return a KO for a TD to bump the 9ers and help send club to SB ? Or was I stoned Point is he was worth the picks for an SB ring. Bitches need to quit bitching.

 

[Prime Time]

Two words come to mind for Percy Harvin, "anger management." Some examples are in bold face below. Either he gets a handle on that temper or he's out of the league soon, maybe in the back of a police squad car, or at worst he will run into someone who will break his face.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/will-percy-harvin-be-any-different-with-the-jets/

Will Percy Harvin be any different with the Jets?
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2014

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The Vikings unloaded receiver Percy Harvin onto the Seahawks, despite a thoroughly documented history of misbehavior. In Seattle, Harvin behaved consistently with his prior actions.

So why do the Jets think Harvin will be any different?

Every coach believes he’s the guy to get the best out of a player with a history of being a bad guy. Pete Carroll thought he’d get through to Harvin in Seattle. Rex Ryan surely believes he’ll find a way to connect with Harvin in New York. And maybe Rex will; if he does, however, it’ll be a surprise.

Aiding Ryan’s cause will be the presence of Mike Vick, who has become a respected elder statesman for young players who grew up idolizing him. Harvin and Vick are both represented by Joe Segal, who is based in New York. With Segal serving as the conduit, Vick could be the right guy to get Harvin to do the things he’s supposed to do — and to not do the things he has done in Seattle, Minnesota, and Gainesville.

Again, it won’t be easy. At Florida, Harvin allegedly stopped during a 2007 conditioning run and, when pressed to continue, said, “This [expletive] ends now.” The next day, he opted for playing basketball over the prescribed football training.

Harvin also reportedly once grabbed receivers coach Billy Gonzales by the neck and threw him to the ground. Harvin reportedly was never disciplined.

At Minnesota, Harvin clashed with former coach Brad Childress. The disputes included aheated argument that arose when Childress suggested Harvin was embellishing an ankle injury to avoid practicing. Harvin and Childress nearly came to blows; their toxic relationship reportedly contributed to the decision to dump Randy Moss after a three-week reunion, because the Vikings feared Moss was influencing Harvin in a negative way.

Another “heated exchange” happened in 2012 with former Vikings coach Leslie Frazier, an ordinarily calm presence who spent a lot of time when Childress was the coach keeping Harvin from making good on threats to not show up for games. It’s not easy to get Frazier upset. Harvin found a way.

In Seattle, it was just as bad. Said one source regarding the situation, “Believe everything you hear about Harvin and the Seahawks.” The reported fracas with former Seahawks receiver Golden Taint happened, we’re told, the night before Super Bowl XLVIII. The source said Harvin body slammed Taint at the team hotel, and that players initially feared Harvin broke Taint’s neck.

While there’s a theory making the rounds that the Seahawks feared Harvin would launch a mutiny against quarterback Russell Wilson, there’s a separate theory that Harvin was in danger of being on the wrong end of a Code Red from teammates who had enough of his angry, moody, erratic ways.

Whatever the specific details, it had to be very, very bad for the Seahawks to cut the cord. There are plenty of temperamental, antisocial players in the NFL. Few get abruptly shipped out of town for a third-day draft pick with more than $19 million earned for only eight games and a first-round, third-round, and seventh-round pick squandered.

As one source told PFT, the Seahawks would have cut Harvin but for the fact that the balance of his $11 million base salary is fully guaranteed. There are no guarantees for Harvin beyond 2014, and the initial thinking in league circles is that the Jets won’t keep him around at $10 million for 2015 — especially if there’s a new head coach who is willing to admit that not even Vince Lombardi could have gotten through to Harvin on a consistent basis.

 

[OC_Ram]

I would trade 3 #1 picks for an Stl SB ring in 2014.

 

[Thordaddy]

I would trade 3 #1 picks for an Stl SB ring in 2014.

Washington needs a GM like you ,oh wait
I get what you are saying I'd trade Adam Carriker ,Jimmy Kenedy and Tye Hill for a SB ring but ya just can't work in retrospect nor guarantee future results
The thing is though would you be that desperate if you were then also in reciept of the following year the sort of trouble it echoed ? immediate gratification almost always has a future downside,and FWIW those who seek it ALWAYS want it so they get caught in a cycle of bad decisions .

 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...d-a-harvin-for-julius-thomas-trade-to-denver/

Report: Seahawks proposed a Harvin-for-Julius Thomas trade
Posted by Mike Wilkening on October 19, 2014

How’s this for a blockbuster trade proposal?

On this morning’s “Sunday NFL Countdown,” ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported the Seahawks offered wideoutPercy Harvin to the Broncos in exchange for tight endJulius Thomas.

The Broncos passed, and Harvin was ultimately shipped to the Jets.

As Schefter noted, the 26-year-old Thomas is in the final year of his contract. And tight end is a need for Seattle with Zach Miller out for the time being.

Nevertheless, it’s logical to see why the Broncos passed. Wide receiver is a strength for the club, especially with Wes Welker back in the fold to complement Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders.

And Julius Thomas, for his part, is having a wonderful season, with nine TD catches for 4-1 Denver.

Schefter also reported that Cleveland and Tampa Bay were both approached about Harvin, whom the Jets acquired for a conditional sixth-round pick.

 

[DCH]

All I could think when this went down:

 

[Akrasian]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...d-a-harvin-for-julius-thomas-trade-to-denver/


Schefter also reported that Cleveland and Tampa Bay were both approached about Harvin, whom the Jets acquired for a conditional sixth-round pick.

Wait - the reports are now that it is a conditional 6th round pick? Heh.

 

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http://thebiglead.com/2014/10/22/russell-wilson-is-black-enough-seahawks-players-allegedly-say/

Russell Wilson isn't "Black Enough," Seahawks Players Allegedly Say
By: Ryan Glasspiegel



After Percy Harvin was traded to the Jets, the leaks began almost immediately. Harvin physically fought teammates. Harvin pulled himself out of games. Harvin may have been about to “launch a mutiny” against Russell Wilson. Though (presumably) Wilson’s camp spread word through ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that Wilson wanted to keep Harvin aboard and help the troubled receiver through his “anger and trust” issues, it seemed, as someone watching from afar without inside access, that Harvin’s alleged issues with Wilson held the most efficacy in his ouster.

Today, Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman shed some light on issues that Harvin had with Wilson, and seemed to back Mike Florio’s assertion that the Seahawks feared the receiver would not be alone in a coalition against Wilson:

Players said Harvin was an accelerant in a locker room that was quickly dividing between Wilson and anti-Wilson. … There is also an element of race that needs to be discussed. My feeling on this—and it’s backed up by several interviews with Seahawks players—is that some of the black players think Wilson isn’t black enough.

This, again, was similar to the situation with McNabb [versus Terrell Owens]. And this, again, will be denied by Seattle people. But there is an element of this. This is an issue that extends outside of football, into African-American society—though it’s gotten better recently. Well-spoken blacks are seen by some other blacks as not completely black. Some of this is at play.

Freeman notes that he doesn’t agree with some of the Seattle players’ sentiment, and cites a tweetfrom the NYDN’s Manish Mehta that Marshawn Lynch was irate and almost didn’t board the team bus as evidence that there were other teammates who liked Harvin.

This discussion is a minefield that I’ll admit I’m hesitant to jump into, but I’m going to try to do it without inciting Internet mob backlash. On the surface, it seems crazy that we’re even talking about this now. The Seahawks are six games removed from a Super Bowl. Three weeks ago, it was a genuine debate as to whether Wilson would be the first overall pick if you were starting a team from scratch tomorrow. But success is so fleeting in the NFL and there have been some cracks in Seattle’s facade this year.



This past August, SI’s Greg Bishop profiled Wilson’s entourage, all of whom are white guys. Wilson appears in too many commercials to count. There always seem to be cameras around for his community service work. Announcers always talk about his HARD WORK and devotion to THE GAME. Since he entered the league he’s demonstrated precociousness in the Derek Jeter art of speaking in a manner which will draw praise from the sports media, but convey nothing of discernible value.

Freeman also notes that there’s frustration amongst some of Wilson’s teammates when he doesn’t take responsibility for errant passes, but that the same could also be said for Peyton Manning, who faces no such perceived threat of a mutiny. While Wilson was the quarterback of a Super Bowl team last year, however, he does not have nearly the same longevity as Manning.

Aside from Wilson’s entourage, those things could all breed resentment amongst teammates regardless of race. The words not “black enough” are there with Freeman’s sources, and the connotation is that some of Wilson’s teammates perceive that the quarterback lacks sincerity. That he’s always a step ahead of the sappy old media, and manipulates their coverage accordingly. I’m not remotely qualified to diagnose the racial undercurrents of what is reportedly going on, but I can understand the idea of being bothered by the exposure to relentless, fluffy PR.

 

[Warner4Prez]

http://thebiglead.com/2014/10/22/russell-wilson-is-black-enough-seahawks-players-allegedly-say/

Russell Wilson isn't "Black Enough," Seahawks Players Allegedly Say
By: Ryan Glasspiegel



After Percy Harvin was traded to the Jets, the leaks began almost immediately. Harvin physically fought teammates. Harvin pulled himself out of games. Harvin may have been about to “launch a mutiny” against Russell Wilson. Though (presumably) Wilson’s camp spread word through ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that Wilson wanted to keep Harvin aboard and help the troubled receiver through his “anger and trust” issues, it seemed, as someone watching from afar without inside access, that Harvin’s alleged issues with Wilson held the most efficacy in his ouster.

Today, Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman shed some light on issues that Harvin had with Wilson, and seemed to back Mike Florio’s assertion that the Seahawks feared the receiver would not be alone in a coalition against Wilson:

Players said Harvin was an accelerant in a locker room that was quickly dividing between Wilson and anti-Wilson. … There is also an element of race that needs to be discussed. My feeling on this—and it’s backed up by several interviews with Seahawks players—is that some of the black players think Wilson isn’t black enough.

This, again, was similar to the situation with McNabb [versus Terrell Owens]. And this, again, will be denied by Seattle people. But there is an element of this. This is an issue that extends outside of football, into African-American society—though it’s gotten better recently. Well-spoken blacks are seen by some other blacks as not completely black. Some of this is at play.

Freeman notes that he doesn’t agree with some of the Seattle players’ sentiment, and cites a tweetfrom the NYDN’s Manish Mehta that Marshawn Lynch was irate and almost didn’t board the team bus as evidence that there were other teammates who liked Harvin.

This discussion is a minefield that I’ll admit I’m hesitant to jump into, but I’m going to try to do it without inciting Internet mob backlash. On the surface, it seems crazy that we’re even talking about this now. The Seahawks are six games removed from a Super Bowl. Three weeks ago, it was a genuine debate as to whether Wilson would be the first overall pick if you were starting a team from scratch tomorrow. But success is so fleeting in the NFL and there have been some cracks in Seattle’s facade this year.



This past August, SI’s Greg Bishop profiled Wilson’s entourage, all of whom are white guys. Wilson appears in too many commercials to count. There always seem to be cameras around for his community service work. Announcers always talk about his HARD WORK and devotion to THE GAME. Since he entered the league he’s demonstrated precociousness in the Derek Jeter art of speaking in a manner which will draw praise from the sports media, but convey nothing of discernible value.

Freeman also notes that there’s frustration amongst some of Wilson’s teammates when he doesn’t take responsibility for errant passes, but that the same could also be said for Peyton Manning, who faces no such perceived threat of a mutiny. While Wilson was the quarterback of a Super Bowl team last year, however, he does not have nearly the same longevity as Manning.

Aside from Wilson’s entourage, those things could all breed resentment amongst teammates regardless of race. The words not “black enough” are there with Freeman’s sources, and the connotation is that some of Wilson’s teammates perceive that the quarterback lacks sincerity. That he’s always a step ahead of the sappy old media, and manipulates their coverage accordingly. I’m not remotely qualified to diagnose the racial undercurrents of what is reportedly going on, but I can understand the idea of being bothered by the exposure to relentless, fluffy PR.

But seriously.
Would the opposite be the publicity that Richard Sherman makes for himself? Is that the image we want kids to emulate? Sherman has shown that when he takes the time to compose himself he can be a well spoken guy, but chooses to present himself as brash and disrespectful in the public eye.

 

[Thordaddy]

So the thugs on that team are not just thugs but racist thugs , can't help but feeling sorry for Wilson ,maybe the reason he hangs with white guys is because they do a better job of accepting him for who he is instead of trying to press him into the mold they want him in.