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No way they get a 1st with that contract he has.
Hags giving up? They have mediocre WR talent, masked by Lynch.
They aren't keeping all those players on defense when they're contracts come up. This isn't BB. Players have a small shelf life to get big bucks. The Hags will fall like dominoes sooner rather than later, especially after Wilson gets paid. I mean, without Lynch, they suck.
Hags giving up? They have mediocre WR talent, masked by Lynch.
They aren't keeping all those players on defense when they're contracts come up. This isn't BB. Players have a small shelf life to get big bucks. The Hags will fall like dominoes sooner rather than later, especially after Wilson gets paid. I mean, without Lynch, they suck.
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Who cares if they fall next season? They already ate NFL for lunch in 2013 and walked away with a SB. I hope Rams do that for one season.
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They never do. It's jsut that Russell Wilson makes that ONE throw to ONE freaking WR the whole fuckin game that changes it. If you look at his totla yards in shitchicken games, for the most part aren't anything crazy. But hidden in that stat line is that one throw. Pisses me the hell off.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...pected-to-get-a-pick-in-rounds-2-4-from-jets/
Seahawks expected to get a pick in rounds 2-4 from Jets
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 17, 2014
AP
Neither the Jets nor the Seahawks have officially announced that Percy Harvin is being shipped from Seattle to New York, but when the trade is finalized, the Seahawks are expected to receive a mid-round draft pick as compensation.
The trade will be for a conditional pick that is currently slated to be in the fourth round, but could rise as high as the second round, based on certain incentives. At this point it’s not clear exactly what those incentives are, but they’re presumably tied to Harvin’s playing time, his stats, or whether he’s still on the Jets at the time of next year’s draft.
That compensation shows just how far Harvin’s stock has fallen. The Seahawks gave up a first-round pick, a third-round and a seventh-round pick to acquire Harvin a year and a half ago, and now they’re maybe getting a third-round pick to trade him away. They’ve essentially thrown away a first-round pick and a seventh-round pick to rent Harvin during a period when he was mostly injured and unable to play.
The Seahawks ended up getting a whole lot less from Harvin than they thought they’d get. Now we’ll see if Harvin can maximize his talent with the Jets.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/chemistry-concerns-caused-seahawks-to-dump-harvin/
“Chemistry” concerns caused Seahawks to dump Harvin
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2014
Now that the Seahawks shockingly have cut the cord on receiver Percy Harvin, it’s time to figure out why it happened. Multiple versions likely will emerge, but the bottom line is that Harvin’s ongoing presence threatened to disrupt team chemistry.
Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon, who works for the Seahawks as color analyst for the team’s radio broadcasts, explained the situation to Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt of SiriusXM NFL Radio on Friday night.
“One thing Pete Carroll wants is great chemistry on the field as well as off the field,” Moon said. “And they had a tough time trying to figure out how to fit Percy Harvin and his skill set into what they already do as a philosophy offensively with Marshawn Lynch running the football and their play-action game. And then there was a little bit of a chemistry problem within the locker room at times with Percy, because he’s a different type of guy. So I think the combination of the two made it to where he was expendable. . . .
“One thing . . . Pete is really, really big on is chemistry and everybody feeling comfortable with one another. And I think that’s what this team has been so successful with the last three years. They’ve really had a great camaraderie, and they didn’t want to do anything to disrupt that.”
Of course, if they didn’t want to do anything to disrupt that, they shouldn’t have traded for Harvin in the first place. But Carroll probably assumed — like many coaches do — that he could get through to Harvin. That Carroll could make a connection with Harvin. That Harvin would be different in Seattle than he’d been in Minnesota.
Carroll guessed wrong, and he opted not to compound the error by stubbornly sticking with a guy who simply didn’t fit.
In the coming days, specific details undoubtedly will emerge regarding Harvin’s lack of chemistry in the locker room. As one source explained it to PFT on Friday evening, the Seahawks possibly feared that Harvin had sufficient influence over enough of the locker room to launch a mutiny against quarterback Rusell Wilson, who despite not yet getting a franchise-quarterback contract possibly has become the target of some resentment among players who don’t share his complete devotion to the game, and who regard the third-year quarterback as a player-coach.
Regardless, the Seahawks spotted a problem, and they quickly solved it. Even if it meant giving up a first-round pick, a third-round pick, a seventh-round pick, and more than $19 million for a guy from who they got seven total games and a mid-round pick in exchange.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-fought-teammates-took-himself-out-on-sunday/
Reports: Harvin fought teammates, took himself out on Sunday
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2014
As the shocking trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets continues to dominate the NFL news cycle, reports from Seattle indicate that the Seahawks simply decided they couldn’t tolerate Harvin’s misbehavior, which included multiple fights with teammates and a refusal to play late in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys.
One fight took place the week before the Super Bowl and left then-Seahawks receiver Golden Taint with a black eye, according to Lance Zierlein of Sports Talk 790 in Houston. Another fight took place in the preseason this year and left receiver Doug Baldwinwith a cut on his chin, according to the Seattle Times.
Harvin also reportedly took himself out of Sunday’s game and wouldn’t go back in when coaches asked him to play. Seahawks coach Pete Carroll was asked why Harvin didn’t play much late in the game and answered with a vague reference to “readiness,” but it now appears that the real problem was “willingness,” or lack thereof, of Harvin to get on the field.
Combining the reports out of Seattle with the widespread reports from two years ago that Harvin was a cancer in the Vikings’ locker room, it looks like the Jets just landed themselves a malcontent. They’d better have a plan for how to deal with Harvin’s inevitable unhappiness.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/the-financial-side-of-the-percy-harvin-trade/
The financial side of the Percy Harvin trade
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2014
After completely processing the shock of the Second Annual Percy Harvin Trade and while still sniffing around the reasons for it, let’s take a look at the financial ramifications of the move, for both teams.
Based on a breakdown of the contract obtained by PFT, the Seahawks paid Harvin $19.03 million for what amounted to eight games played (three last year, five this year). The money came from a $12 million signing bonus, a $2.5 million salary in 2013, and 7/17ths of an $11 million salary in 2014 ($4.53 million).
By trading Harvin after June 1, the Seahawks will carry $1.412 million in cap space this year from his $2.4 million annual signing bonus proration. Next year, they’ll have $7.2 million in dead money attributed to Harvin.
The Jets pick up the balance of his guaranteed base salary — 10/17ths of $11 million ($6.47 million) and the non-guaranteed four additional years of his deal, at $10.5 million in 2015, $9.9 million in 2016, $9.95 million in 2017, and $11.15 million in 2018. The $47.97 million deal actually is a year-to-year arrangement, with no triggers or other devices aimed at forcing the Jets to decide what to do with Harvin before Week One of the regular season.
The Jets inherit the ability to recover bonus money paid by the Seahawks from Harvin. If he decides to not show up or to go AWOL or to retire with that $19 million he had gotten from the Seahawks for nine games, they can get back some of the $12 million the Seahawks paid upon acquiring him from the Vikings. Which could be a useful piece of leverage for the Jets.
Still, the early reaction from multiple league insiders is that the Jets made a mistake by acquiring Harvin. One league source with knowledge of and experience with both the player and his new team already has expressed pessimism, explaining that the Jets are “not a stable place.” Another source said that the Jets have “pissed away $7 million of Woody Johnson’s cash and cap space.”
“Do you know how many good players that much space can get you?” the source said. (As some Jets fans would respond, “If you don’t use it, none.”)
We’ll have more throughout the weekend regarding the reaction to and aftermath of the trade. Whatever triggered the move, it was enough to prompt the Seahawks to pay Harvin what amounted to $2.375 million for every meaningful game in which he played.
Seahawks expected to get a pick in rounds 2-4 from Jets
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 17, 2014
Neither the Jets nor the Seahawks have officially announced that Percy Harvin is being shipped from Seattle to New York, but when the trade is finalized, the Seahawks are expected to receive a mid-round draft pick as compensation.
The trade will be for a conditional pick that is currently slated to be in the fourth round, but could rise as high as the second round, based on certain incentives. At this point it’s not clear exactly what those incentives are, but they’re presumably tied to Harvin’s playing time, his stats, or whether he’s still on the Jets at the time of next year’s draft.
That compensation shows just how far Harvin’s stock has fallen. The Seahawks gave up a first-round pick, a third-round and a seventh-round pick to acquire Harvin a year and a half ago, and now they’re maybe getting a third-round pick to trade him away. They’ve essentially thrown away a first-round pick and a seventh-round pick to rent Harvin during a period when he was mostly injured and unable to play.
The Seahawks ended up getting a whole lot less from Harvin than they thought they’d get. Now we’ll see if Harvin can maximize his talent with the Jets.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/chemistry-concerns-caused-seahawks-to-dump-harvin/
“Chemistry” concerns caused Seahawks to dump Harvin
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2014
Now that the Seahawks shockingly have cut the cord on receiver Percy Harvin, it’s time to figure out why it happened. Multiple versions likely will emerge, but the bottom line is that Harvin’s ongoing presence threatened to disrupt team chemistry.
Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon, who works for the Seahawks as color analyst for the team’s radio broadcasts, explained the situation to Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt of SiriusXM NFL Radio on Friday night.
“One thing Pete Carroll wants is great chemistry on the field as well as off the field,” Moon said. “And they had a tough time trying to figure out how to fit Percy Harvin and his skill set into what they already do as a philosophy offensively with Marshawn Lynch running the football and their play-action game. And then there was a little bit of a chemistry problem within the locker room at times with Percy, because he’s a different type of guy. So I think the combination of the two made it to where he was expendable. . . .
“One thing . . . Pete is really, really big on is chemistry and everybody feeling comfortable with one another. And I think that’s what this team has been so successful with the last three years. They’ve really had a great camaraderie, and they didn’t want to do anything to disrupt that.”
Of course, if they didn’t want to do anything to disrupt that, they shouldn’t have traded for Harvin in the first place. But Carroll probably assumed — like many coaches do — that he could get through to Harvin. That Carroll could make a connection with Harvin. That Harvin would be different in Seattle than he’d been in Minnesota.
Carroll guessed wrong, and he opted not to compound the error by stubbornly sticking with a guy who simply didn’t fit.
In the coming days, specific details undoubtedly will emerge regarding Harvin’s lack of chemistry in the locker room. As one source explained it to PFT on Friday evening, the Seahawks possibly feared that Harvin had sufficient influence over enough of the locker room to launch a mutiny against quarterback Rusell Wilson, who despite not yet getting a franchise-quarterback contract possibly has become the target of some resentment among players who don’t share his complete devotion to the game, and who regard the third-year quarterback as a player-coach.
Regardless, the Seahawks spotted a problem, and they quickly solved it. Even if it meant giving up a first-round pick, a third-round pick, a seventh-round pick, and more than $19 million for a guy from who they got seven total games and a mid-round pick in exchange.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-fought-teammates-took-himself-out-on-sunday/
Reports: Harvin fought teammates, took himself out on Sunday
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2014
As the shocking trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets continues to dominate the NFL news cycle, reports from Seattle indicate that the Seahawks simply decided they couldn’t tolerate Harvin’s misbehavior, which included multiple fights with teammates and a refusal to play late in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys.
One fight took place the week before the Super Bowl and left then-Seahawks receiver Golden Taint with a black eye, according to Lance Zierlein of Sports Talk 790 in Houston. Another fight took place in the preseason this year and left receiver Doug Baldwinwith a cut on his chin, according to the Seattle Times.
Harvin also reportedly took himself out of Sunday’s game and wouldn’t go back in when coaches asked him to play. Seahawks coach Pete Carroll was asked why Harvin didn’t play much late in the game and answered with a vague reference to “readiness,” but it now appears that the real problem was “willingness,” or lack thereof, of Harvin to get on the field.
Combining the reports out of Seattle with the widespread reports from two years ago that Harvin was a cancer in the Vikings’ locker room, it looks like the Jets just landed themselves a malcontent. They’d better have a plan for how to deal with Harvin’s inevitable unhappiness.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/the-financial-side-of-the-percy-harvin-trade/
The financial side of the Percy Harvin trade
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2014
After completely processing the shock of the Second Annual Percy Harvin Trade and while still sniffing around the reasons for it, let’s take a look at the financial ramifications of the move, for both teams.
Based on a breakdown of the contract obtained by PFT, the Seahawks paid Harvin $19.03 million for what amounted to eight games played (three last year, five this year). The money came from a $12 million signing bonus, a $2.5 million salary in 2013, and 7/17ths of an $11 million salary in 2014 ($4.53 million).
By trading Harvin after June 1, the Seahawks will carry $1.412 million in cap space this year from his $2.4 million annual signing bonus proration. Next year, they’ll have $7.2 million in dead money attributed to Harvin.
The Jets pick up the balance of his guaranteed base salary — 10/17ths of $11 million ($6.47 million) and the non-guaranteed four additional years of his deal, at $10.5 million in 2015, $9.9 million in 2016, $9.95 million in 2017, and $11.15 million in 2018. The $47.97 million deal actually is a year-to-year arrangement, with no triggers or other devices aimed at forcing the Jets to decide what to do with Harvin before Week One of the regular season.
The Jets inherit the ability to recover bonus money paid by the Seahawks from Harvin. If he decides to not show up or to go AWOL or to retire with that $19 million he had gotten from the Seahawks for nine games, they can get back some of the $12 million the Seahawks paid upon acquiring him from the Vikings. Which could be a useful piece of leverage for the Jets.
Still, the early reaction from multiple league insiders is that the Jets made a mistake by acquiring Harvin. One league source with knowledge of and experience with both the player and his new team already has expressed pessimism, explaining that the Jets are “not a stable place.” Another source said that the Jets have “pissed away $7 million of Woody Johnson’s cash and cap space.”
“Do you know how many good players that much space can get you?” the source said. (As some Jets fans would respond, “If you don’t use it, none.”)
We’ll have more throughout the weekend regarding the reaction to and aftermath of the trade. Whatever triggered the move, it was enough to prompt the Seahawks to pay Harvin what amounted to $2.375 million for every meaningful game in which he played.
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People always underestimate the mental aspect of a player. That's why some team will still draft JW in the top of the 1st in 2015, thinking that arm strength or speed is what actually wins football games. It helps of course, but only if the mind is there first.
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When in Minn. he was known for arguing with coaches in practice . A clear cut case of a coach who thought he could do a better job with a troubled athlete than other people could.
Wonder if the animated conversation on the sideline between Baldwin and Wilson had to do with Harvin
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Trading problem player Percy may create a problem with Marshawn
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2014
AP
The Seahawks apparently traded Percy Harvin in large part because he became a problem in the locker room. But trading him may cause problems in the locker room.
Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch, a friend of Harvin’s, indicated on Twitter that he wasn’t happy about it, and according to one report, Lynch’s feelings go beyond just “unhappy.” Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that Lynch almost didn’t get on the team bus for the trip to the airport for Sunday’s game at St. Louis because he was so upset about Harvin getting traded.
That’s a bit surprising considering that if anything, Lynch should be a beneficiary of Harvin leaving: Losing Harvin makes Lynch a more integral part of the Seahawks’ offense. But Lynch isn’t an easy person to keep happy, and his personal friendship with Harvin apparently trumps any benefit of getting the ball more. The Seahawks don’t want Lynch to be unhappy (and in fact just a couple months ago they restructured his contract to make him happy), but Lynch’s unhappiness could become the result of Harvin leaving.
And Lynch isn’t the only player who seems upset about it. Cliff Avril and Bruce Irvin both also indicated on Twitter that they weren’t happy about Harvin leaving.
Although no one associated with the Seahawks has explained exactly what was going on with Harvin, there seems to be a growing sense that the Seahawks wanted to get rid of him because they sensed he was part of a schism within the locker room, and the front office thought they could nip it in the bud by sending Harvin packing. The problem, however, comes up if trading Harvin further divides the team between those who wanted him to remain a teammate, and those who are happy to see him go.
Trading problem player Percy may create a problem with Marshawn
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2014
The Seahawks apparently traded Percy Harvin in large part because he became a problem in the locker room. But trading him may cause problems in the locker room.
Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch, a friend of Harvin’s, indicated on Twitter that he wasn’t happy about it, and according to one report, Lynch’s feelings go beyond just “unhappy.” Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that Lynch almost didn’t get on the team bus for the trip to the airport for Sunday’s game at St. Louis because he was so upset about Harvin getting traded.
That’s a bit surprising considering that if anything, Lynch should be a beneficiary of Harvin leaving: Losing Harvin makes Lynch a more integral part of the Seahawks’ offense. But Lynch isn’t an easy person to keep happy, and his personal friendship with Harvin apparently trumps any benefit of getting the ball more. The Seahawks don’t want Lynch to be unhappy (and in fact just a couple months ago they restructured his contract to make him happy), but Lynch’s unhappiness could become the result of Harvin leaving.
And Lynch isn’t the only player who seems upset about it. Cliff Avril and Bruce Irvin both also indicated on Twitter that they weren’t happy about Harvin leaving.
Although no one associated with the Seahawks has explained exactly what was going on with Harvin, there seems to be a growing sense that the Seahawks wanted to get rid of him because they sensed he was part of a schism within the locker room, and the front office thought they could nip it in the bud by sending Harvin packing. The problem, however, comes up if trading Harvin further divides the team between those who wanted him to remain a teammate, and those who are happy to see him go.
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After reading this, I don't blame the Hawks 1 bit for cutting ties with this head case.
Good move by the Hawks.
The Jets will probably be Harvins last team.
It makes me wonder if all of his "headache" issues early in his career, were just Him being a little baby.
Good move by the Hawks.
The Jets will probably be Harvins last team.
It makes me wonder if all of his "headache" issues early in his career, were just Him being a little baby.
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They should stay the course and cut Lynch before noon tomorrow as well.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...yer-percy-may-create-a-problem-with-marshawn/
Trading problem player Percy may create a problem with Marshawn
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2014
AP
The Seahawks apparently traded Percy Harvin in large part because he became a problem in the locker room. But trading him may cause problems in the locker room.
Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch, a friend of Harvin’s, indicated on Twitter that he wasn’t happy about it, and according to one report, Lynch’s feelings go beyond just “unhappy.” Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that Lynch almost didn’t get on the team bus for the trip to the airport for Sunday’s game at St. Louis because he was so upset about Harvin getting traded.
That’s a bit surprising considering that if anything, Lynch should be a beneficiary of Harvin leaving: Losing Harvin makes Lynch a more integral part of the Seahawks’ offense. But Lynch isn’t an easy person to keep happy, and his personal friendship with Harvin apparently trumps any benefit of getting the ball more. The Seahawks don’t want Lynch to be unhappy (and in fact just a couple months ago they restructured his contract to make him happy), but Lynch’s unhappiness could become the result of Harvin leaving.
And Lynch isn’t the only player who seems upset about it. Cliff Avril and Bruce Irvin both also indicated on Twitter that they weren’t happy about Harvin leaving.
Although no one associated with the Seahawks has explained exactly what was going on with Harvin, there seems to be a growing sense that the Seahawks wanted to get rid of him because they sensed he was part of a schism within the locker room, and the front office thought they could nip it in the bud by sending Harvin packing. The problem, however, comes up if trading Harvin further divides the team between those who wanted him to remain a teammate, and those who are happy to see him go.
Before he can cause anymore problems.
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If this is accurate, and Lynch's head isn't in the game, their Fucked!! Makes a guy think about making a Heavy Bet on the Rams!!
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A conditional pick sounds super cheap. The guy was actually producing quite well wasn't he??
I wouldn't want to hear about Austin being traded! Its way too early. Would be a great shame if we couldn't make him work in our offense.
I wouldn't want to hear about Austin being traded! Its way too early. Would be a great shame if we couldn't make him work in our offense.
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Percy laid hands on Taint & Baldwin?!? Badass! Sounds a little like Steve Smith....But if he had 30 receptions for 500 yards & 6 TD's, he wouldn't be going anywhere...
Lynch & others know, Percy helped them win the Super Bowl...He'll help the Jets...
Lynch & others know, Percy helped them win the Super Bowl...He'll help the Jets...
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Harvin had 3 TD's called back in the Redskin's game, and he looked like everything they had wanted from him in that game. What Happened!?
