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Articles....Do we need another LT, THIS DRAFT????

Discussion in 'NFL DRAFT / COLLEGE FOOTBALL' started by LACHAMP46, Jan 2, 2017.

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For Jared Goff's health do we go OLT at #2

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  3. hell Champ, I'm grabbing another

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  1. LACHAMP46

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    After watching parts of yesterdays game, I decided to jump from my normal focus on defense...and defensive help...
    These are some of the top Tackles coming out this draft....Courtesy Walter Football...
    http://walterfootball.com/draft2017OT.php

    1. [​IMG] Cam Robinson*, OT, Alabama
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 326.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
      Projected Round (2017): Top-20.
      12/10/16: There is a fair amount of debate about Robinson for the NFL. One team said they had Robinson as a top-15 pick and believe that he is a Russell Okung- or Ryan Clady-caliber left tackle for the NFL. Another playoff team graded Robinson late in the first round. That organization thinks a team could get by with him at left tackle, but ideally, Robinson would be a right tackle. One NFC team gave Robinson a second-round grade. That team said that one could get away with Robinson at left tackle, but that he could have problems with speed rushers. They said they project him similar to Tampa Bay's second-year left tackle Donovan Smith. This is a weak tackle draft, however, so Robinson will probably go in the top-20 picks.

      Robinson had a strong start to the 2016 season with a number of impressive performances, including games against USC and Arkansas. He held Razorbacks edge rusher Deatrich Wise Jr. to two tackles. Robinson held his own against Ole Miss, but did have an ugly play getting bull rushed by the Rebels' Marquis Haynes. Robinson had a rough start against Tennessee's Derek Barnett giving up a sack and some pressures before settling down to have a strong final three quarters versus the Volunteers edge rusher. Robinson had a good game against Texas A&M superstar Myles Garrett and kept Garrett from getting a sack.

      Overall, Robinson's pass protection has been improved this season. His bending at the knee looks improved, his feet are better, and he looks quicker in his drop. Sources say that he lost 10-15 pounds prior to the season and that has helped him in pass blocking. Robinson is still very good in the ground game.

      9/3/16: Robinson was a freshman sensation for the Crimson Tide in 2014. He was the leader on an offensive line that allowed only 16 sacks on the season. It didn't go as well in 2015 as Robinson allowed pressure and sacks on the quarterback. He had some real problems with Texas A&M superstar Myles Garrett for example. However, Robinson was better down the stretch and helped open a lot of holes for Heisman Trophy winning running back Derrick Henry. Given the improvement as the season went along, it wouldn't be surprising if Robinson takes his play to another level in 2016.

      There are a lot pluses to the junior's game for the next level. As a pass protector, he has the length and quickness to defend the edge. He also has quick enough feet to cut off speed rushers and also displays some ability to bend at the knees. Robinson uses his length well and adjusts wisely to blitzes. He needs to get more consistent with his bending and shuffling his feet though. He gets sloppy sometimes, and that leads to him giving up some pressures and sacks.

      In the ground game, Robinson is a quality blocker. He has strength to turn defenders at the point of attack and open holes. Robinson is quick to the second level to hit blocks as well and is able to pull. He has some power at the point of attack with a physical demeanor.

    2. [​IMG] Mike McGlinchey*, OT, Notre Dame
      Height: 6-7. Weight: 310.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.30.
      Projected Round (2017): Top-20.
      12/10/16: In the 2017 NFL Draft, McGlinchey could be the closest thing to a franchise left tackle. He isn't one of the best tackle prospects to come out in years, but he is very good with upside to be a very good pro left tackle.

      McGlinchey has suggested that he is inclined to return for his senior year rather than enter the 2017 NFL Draft, but a year ago around the same time, former teammate Will Fuller said the same thing and now he's playing for the Texans, so it isn't a definite that McGlinchey won't be in the 2017 NFL Draft. Stephon Tuitt said the same thing before leaving Notre Dame early, too.

      McGlinchey was very impressive at left tackle for the Fighting Irish in 2016. As a run blocker, McGlinchey can get movement at the point of attack. He flashes heavy hands to push defenders out of their gaps and open holes for his back. In pass protection, he looks like a natural at left tackle, and one wouldn't have thought that he wasn't playing the position last year. McGlinchey shows excellent feet to get depth in his kick slide and cut off speed rushers. He also displays a nice ability to bend at the knee, and that in combination with his feet, keeps him from having to reach after edge rushers. The one consistent problem he has is a lot of false start penalties. McGlinchy's performance has given evidence that he is a future starting left tackle in the NFL and a first-round pick.

      9/3/16: McGlinchey is a tough run blocker and has been part of a good Notre Dame line. After breaking into starting lineup during his sophomore year, in 2015 as a junior McGlinchey put together an impressive season as a pass protector at right tackle. He showed nice athleticism and the strength to open holes in the ground game.

      With Ronnie Stanley in the NFL, McGlinchey is moving to left tackle. If the senior has a big season at left tackle, he could rise high during the season and the leadup to the 2017 NFL Draft. McGlinchey also has more of a physical style of play than Stanley did.

      [​IMG] Ryan Ramcyzk*, OT, Wisconsin
    3. Height: 6-6. Weight: 297.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.00.
      Projected Round (2017): 1-3.
      12/10/16: Ramcyzk had a strong season blocking for the Badgers in his debut as their starting left tackle. In 2013 and 2014, he was the starting left tackle at UW-Stevens Point, where he earned a lot of accolades before sitting out the 2015 season with a redshirt after transferring to Wisconsin. Ramcyzk has been one of the better left tackles in college football in 2016.

      Ramcyzk has a lot of good qualities that could lead to him being a starting left tackle in the NFL. He is quick out his stance, fast to hit blocks in the second level, and is able to get in position for blocks in space. In pass protection, he can play the type writer with his feet and shuffle with rushers. Ramcyzk gets depth in his drop as well. Sometimes though, he can be slow to react and adjust to counter pass-rush moves. Ramcyzk also needs to add more strength. He can get bull rushed and pushed back by rushers. His frame doesn't look maxed out, however, and he should get stronger in a NFL strength and conditioning program. If Ramcyzk were to enter the 2017 NFL Draft, I think he could get late first-round consideration in a weak tackle class and could go early on Day 2 if he slips to Friday night.

    4. [​IMG] Dion Dawkins, OT, Temple
      Height: 6-5. Weight: 320.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
      Projected Round (2017): 2-3.
      12/10/16: Dawkins has some fans in the NFL scouting community. They feel that he has some athleticism and could turn into a good functional blocker. The sources that really like Dawkins have him graded in the second round and think he has left tackle potential for the NFL. Some other teams have him graded a round or two later and think he would be a better fit at guard in the NFL. Still, Dawkins has had a fine senior season that has him in a good position for next April.

    5. [​IMG] Roderick Johnson*, OT, Florida State
      Height: 6-7. Weight: 312.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.15.
      Projected Round (2017): 2-4.
      12/10/16: In this writer's opinion, Johnson has struggled this season and should return for his senior year to get better before going pro. He has turned in some underwhelming performances, including rough moments against Louisville and Miami. NFL sources haven't been as hard on Johnson, but they aren't excited about him either. Even scouts from teams that are desperate from offensive line help aren't pining for their team to land Johnson. He hasn't been receiving first-round grades. Johnson did play better to close out the regular season, including a good game against Florida.

      Johnson had an ugly start to the season as Ole Miss and edge rusher Marquis Haynes exposed a lot of problems for Johnson. Johnson was beaten for a sack and got zero movement in opening holes in the running game. The junior lacks strength and doesn't generate any push in the ground game. He ties up his blocker, but is not a force at the point of attack to push a defender out of their gap. In pass protection, Johnson has the athleticism to protect against speed rushers, but he is weak to block inside moves and gets bull rushed too easily. Even undersized speed rushers have success bull rushing him. Johnson is a finesse player who needs development.

      9/3/16: A lot was made how the Seminoles' offensive line improved when Cam Erving moved to center midway through 2014, but Johnson was the reason for that move. He took over at left tackle and showed a lot of potential as a protector for Jameis Winston. Johnson was solid in 2015 and helped Dalvin Cook run wild over the ACC.

      For the passing-driven NFL, Johnson has the skill set to be a competitor at left tackle. He has good size and length to protect on the edge. Johnson has some athleticism and is quick to adjust to blitzes or stunts in pass protection. Against speed rushers, Johnson can do a nice job of riding defenders around the pocket.

      Johnson isn't a true bull in the ground game, but he is an effective run blocker. He is quick to get to spots on the second level and hit some blocks to spring his back for big gains. He doesn't blast defensive linemen out of their gap, but he does well holding them up and walling them off to the side to help open holes for his back.

      There are a few things that Johnson needs to improve. The big issue for Johnson is improving his feet. He needs to get faster in his quick slide and bend at the knees over bending at the race. Sometimes Johnson can be sloppy in shuffling his feet, and he bends at the waist to reach after pass-rushers. He gets away with it against college defenders, but the NFL that isn't going to work, especially when going against a good rusher.

      [​IMG] Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell
    6. Height: 6-7. Weight: 315.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
      Projected Round (2017): 3-4.
      12/10/16: At the start of the season, there was a real buzz in the scouting community about Davenport. Area scouts and national scouts from every team visited Bucknell this season to see him. Sources say they believe that Davenport is likely to go on the second day of the 2017 NFL Draft. Some team sources really like him and feel he has a starting left tackle skill set. They love his athleticism, length and upside. He needs some work developing his body, but they believe he could be a starting left tackle in the NFL.

      Other team sources don't like Davenport and have him on Day 3. They point to some poor tape from his senior year with weak competition getting the best of him. The scouts who don't like Davenport say he has terrible technique and is exceedingly raw. There were snaps where Davenport looked awful. He would play high, get pushed around, get bull rushed, and struggle with redirecting. Thus, Davaneport is very much a love/hate prospect in the scouting community.

      9/3/16: Sources say that Davenport has superb measurements to be a starting left tackle in the NFL. He is listed at 6-foot-7, 315 pounds. Scouts say they think he could be an inch shorter but has excellent length with 35-plus-inch arms and 10.5-inch hands. Davenport has good athleticism with quick feet with a background in playing basketball. Athletic ability runs in the family as Davenport is cousins with Charlotte Hornets forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Team sources believe that Davenport could be a future starting left tackle in the NFL.

      One scouting director told WalterFootball.com that they think Davenport would be a top-20 pick if he played at a big BCS school, but because of his level of competition, he is probably more likely to be a second-round pick.

    7. [​IMG] David Sharpe*, OT, Florida
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 357.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.40.
      Projected Round (2017): 3-4.
      12/10/16: Sharpe is a tough run blocker who is generally reliable in pass protection. After a good first half against Tennessee's Derek Barnett, Sharpe was whipped in the second half of the Volunteers' comeback win. He also had some problems with Florida State's Demarcus Walker and Alabama's edge rushers. For the NFL, Sharpe is a better run blocker and needs to develop his pass protection. Sources believe Sharpe would be better off as a right tackle in the NFL. He should return for his senior year, drop some weight, and work on improving his fundamentals in pass coverage.

      9/3/16: The Gators had a lot of injuries on their offensive line in 2015 and had to move players around. Sharpe was one of those players and saw action at both tackle positions. He was a good run blocker who flashed some pass-protection skills. Sharpe needs to improve his pass blocking, but he has upside to develop. He could be a right tackle candidate and also could move inside to guard for the next level.
    8. [​IMG] Forrest Lamp, OT, Western Kentucky
      Height: 6-4. Weight: 300.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
      Projected Round (2017): 3-5.
      12/10/16: Lamp was invited to the Senior Bowl after an excellent collegiate career. He made 39 straight starts and was been a tough lineman at the point of attack. Lamp is going to need to add some strength for the NFL. If his listed height holds true at the weigh-in in Mobile, then Lamp is a candidate to remain at tackle. If he is shorter than 6-foot-4, he probably will have to move inside to guard.
      [​IMG] Kelly Parfitt, OT, Florida Atlantic
    9. Height: 6-6. Weight: 313.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.30.
      Projected Round (2017): 3-5.
      12/10/16: Parfitt started out his collegiate career at Central Florida before transferring to Florida Atlantic. He played well enough to earn an invitation to the Senior Bowl. Parfitt projects more as a right tackle competitor.

    10. [​IMG] Taylor Moton, OT/G, Western Michigan
      Height: 6-5. Weight: 326.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.00.
      Projected Round (2017): 3-4.
      12/10/16: Moton has been a solid offensive lineman for the Broncos the past few seasons and is having a quality senior year at right tackle. Western Michigan has had a superb offense with a dynamic aerial attack for a few years, and Moton's pass protection has contributed to that. As a sophomore, Moton played right tackle before moving to right guard as a junior. He has versatile size for the NFL and could be a player who is a valuable backup for guard or tackle early in his NFL career.

    11. [​IMG] Javarius Leamon, OT, South Carolina State
      Height: 6-7. Weight: 310.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.00.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: Leamon really impressed scouts this season. Sources say that Leamon is athletic with an above-average ability to anchor against bull rushers. He is a little finesse and will need to improve his strength for the NFL, but team evaluators feel he has the potential to grow into starting left tackle. Leamon does have some learning issues and may not be a good fit for hard coaching.

      Teams are giving Leamon a draftable grade in the middle rounds of the third day of the 2017 NFL Draft. He is on the Senior Bowl watchlist, and if he earns an invitation to Mobile, his stock could really rise considering the 2017 NFL Draft should feature a weak class of offensive tackles.

    12. [​IMG] Chad Wheeler, OT, USC
      Height: 6-7. Weight: 280.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.00.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: Wheeler barely played in USC's first two games after missing most of training camp with plantar fasciitis. He has been banged up this season, but has served as a decent blind-side protector for Sam Darnold. Sources have said they are grading Wheeler on the third day of the 2017 NFL Draft. He has some talent athletically, but they have major concerns about him off the field.

      9/3/16: Wheeler has been the starting left tackle over the last three seasons for USC. He was a quality left tackle for the Trojans in 2015. However, Wheeler missed the Holiday Bowl after an incident with police that caused him to be placed in protective custody for a psychiatric evaluation.

      Wheeler is a skilled pass protector with quickness and athleticism on the edge. He does need to get stronger for the NFL though. Wheeler broke into the starting lineup as a redshirt freshman at left tackle and did a quality job for the Trojans. He improved while a sophomore, both as a run blocker for Buck Allen and a pass protector for Cody Kessler, but tore knee ligaments after eight games to end his season.

      [​IMG] Austin Golson*, OT/C, Auburn
    13. Height: 6-5. Weight: 304.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.22.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: Golson was previously the starting left tackle for Auburn. He didn't impress against Clemson and gave up a sack in Week 2 against Arkansas State, but he has played better since switching to center.

      8/6/16: Golson started out his collegiate career at Ole Miss before transferring to Auburn. At Ole Miss, he saw some time at guard as a true freshman in 2013 and then sat out the 2014 season. Golson became Auburn's starting center in 2015 and had a quality season despite some injuries. He has upside to develop.

    14. [​IMG] Greg Pyke, OT/G, Georgia
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 313.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: Pyke has played right tackle for the Bulldogs, but could be a better fit at guard in the NFL. He had a nice start to the season as a run blocker against North Carolina, but the Georgia offense has had some mixed performances. Pyke and the line allow too much pressure on Jacob Eason. Pyke could lack the quickness and athleticism to block on the edge in the NFL. He had some real struggles against Florida.

      8/6/16: Pyke is a good run blocker who needs to improve his pass protection, but he had an up-and-down 2015 season, even being benched at one point. As a sophomore in 2014, Pyke was a Second-Team All-SEC selection and a tough run blocker for Todd Gurley and Nick Chubb. Georgia averaged 257.8 yards per game that season, and Pyke was impressive at the point of attack.

    15. [​IMG] Adam Bisnowaty, OT, Pittsburgh
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 305.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.28.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: Sources have told me that Bisnowaty looks like he has potential with length, but they are giving him late-round grades. One source said their team would have Bisnowaty with an undrafted grade, but thought another team would probably take him on Day 3. A different team said they had Bisnowaty as a fifth- or sixth-rounder.

      Bisnowaty lacks strength and doesn't get movement in the ground game, but sources feel that while he is limited athletically, he is football player who finds a way to make up for it and be effective. Bisnowaty will need at least one "redshirt" year in the NFL to get stronger in a strength and conditioning program. The teams that like him have compared him to the Ravens' Ricky Wagner.

      9/3/16: Bisnowaty was banged up in 2015, but played through injuries and had a solid season. Bisnowaty has been Pittsburgh's starting left tackle the past three seasons. He is a smart player, but he could stand to get stronger for the NFL. Bisnowaty's more reliable pass blocking had him starting on the left side instead of T.J. Clemmings.

    16. [​IMG] Zach Banner, OT, USC
      Height: 6-9. Weight: 360.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.59.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: Banner and the rest of the USC offensive line didn't impress against Alabama in the season opener. He played better after that, but dealt with an ankle injury. Sources say that Banner has some athletic talent, but he has big problems with his weight, work ethic and lethargy.

      9/3/16: While he's played on the left side at times for the Trojans, Banner is probably more of a smash-mouth right tackle for the NFL. He has a lot of strength at the point attack and obviously is a massive blocker. Banner showed some athleticism by playing some basketball at USC. In 2015, he made two starts at left tackle and the other 12 games at right tackle.
      [​IMG] Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas
    17. Height: 6-10. Weight: 322.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.44.
      Projected Round (2017): 4-6.
      12/10/16: In the ground game, Skipper has success opening holes. While Arkansas can get away with him at left tackle, he is a right tackle prospect for the NFL. He doesn't have the feet or quickness for the blind side. Skipper can struggle with speed rushers. He will play at the East-West Shrine in January.

      Skipper was beaten for a sack when taking on TCU and defensive end Josh Carraway. Skipper had a lot of problems with Texas A&M's Myles Garrett and also got away with a cheap shot on Garrett. Skipper also had problems with Alabama. He played pretty well against Florida.

      9/3/16: Skipper was a tough right tackle for the Razorbacks in 2015. He was part of a strong right side of the offensive line with guard Sebastian Tretola. That duo opened a lot of holes for running back Alex Collins. As a sophomore, Skipper was the starter at left tackle and had a decent season. He had eight starts at guard as a freshman. It will be interesting to see if Skipper moves back to left tackle as a senior since Denver Kirkland left Arkansas, but for the NFL, Skipper projects as more of a right tackle.
    18. [​IMG] J.J. Dielman, OT/C, Utah
      Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
      Projected Round (2017): 5-7.
      12/10/16: Because of an injury, Dielman was moved to center for the Utes. That could end up being a better fit for him in the NFL, and he turned in quality performances for the first five games of the year. Things went off the rails though as Dielman suffered a foot injury and missed the rest of the season.

      9/3/16: Dielman is a solid blocker for the Utes and was very good at opening holes for Devontae Booker in the ground game. For the NFL, Dielman needs to improve his pass protection. He wisely decided to return for his senior year. Moving inside to guard could be his NFL future.

    19. [​IMG] Casey Tucker*, OT, Stanford
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 300.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.32.
      Projected Round (2017): 5-7.
      12/10/16: Tucker has had some good and bad performances in 2016. He should probably return for his senior year. Tucker has been banged up and missed time with an injury.

      9/3/16: After serving as a backup as a freshman, Tucker took over at right tackle for the Cardinal in 2015. He improved throughout the season and was part of a line that went on a tear late in the year with Christian McCaffrey ripping defenses apart. Tucker has upside to develop and rise higher.

    20. [​IMG] Jon Heck, OT, North Carolina
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 300.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.09.
      Projected Round (2016): 5-7.
      12/10/16: Heck had a decent start to the season against Georgia. The Tar Heels kept Illinois defensive end Dawuane Smoot from registering a sack in Week 2. Heck has been a reliable pass protector for Mitch Trubisky, overall.

      9/3/16: In speaking with sources, Heck hasn't impressed them. They feel he should move inside to guard in the NFL. Heck has been a starter at right tackle for the Tar Heels. His run blocking is ahead of his pass blocking, and he needs to improve his protection as a senior.


      [​IMG] Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA
    21. Height: 6-9. Weight: 310.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.28.
      Projected Round (2017): 5-7.
      12/10/16: For the NFL, McDermott would probably be a better fit at right tackle. Some team sources say they have given him a late-round developmental grade.

      In the 2016 season opener, McDermott was beaten by Myles Garrett for a sack and other pressures. McDermott didn't have a meltdown performance, but he didn't impress either. McDermott has played better since then.

      9/3/16: McDermott led a strong UCLA offensive line in 2015 that only allowed 14 sacks on the season. He was a steady pass protector for Josh Rosen. In the ground game, McDermott was an effective blocker at helping to open holes for Paul Perkins. For the NFL, McDermott's measurements would make him more of a right tackle, but perhaps his senior year could prove that he is a viable left-tackle candidate.

    22. [​IMG] K.C. McDermott*, OT/G, Miami
      Height: 6-6. Weight: 310.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.29.
      Projected Round (2017): 6-FA.
      12/10/16: McDermott is starting at left guard for the Hurricanes and has been a significant part of Miami showing a big improvement in its rushing offense over 2015. However, Miami's line has still have allowed too much pressure on Brad Kaaya. McDermott turned in some underwhelming play in a few games.

      8/6/16: McDermott started at guard and right tackle for Miami during the 2015 season. The offensive line had issues last season as the Hurricanes had one of the worst rushing offenses in the nation. While they didn't allow a lot of sacks, there was still too much pressure on Brad Kaaya. McDermott could be better off at guard in the NFL.

    23. [​IMG] Brendan Mahon*, OT/G, Penn State
      Height: 6-4. Weight: 315.
      Projected 40 Time: 5.28.
      Projected Round (2017): 7-FA.
      12/10/16: Mahon is starting at left tackle for Penn State, but he has struggled in pass protection, including an ugly game against Pittsburgh. However, Mahon and the Nittany Lions' offensive line has performed much better as run blockers for Saquon Barkley.

      8/6/16: Mahon started at guard and tackle for Penn State. His run blocking is ahead of his pass protection. At times he played well, but he needs to improve his pass protection and consistency. As a freshman, Mahon started at left guard. The Penn State offensive line allowed Christian Hackenberg to be sacked more than 80 times over those two seasons.
    Now the interesting thing is, there's a raw guy....Juco transfer that plays at Utah...Garrett Bolles, that has distinguished himself as a player...He's already married & 24 years old, so even though he's a Jr., I'm sure he's coming out.

    We need a LT...sweet feet....and determined as hell...We can't get a true LT I believe in this draft later than the 2nd round, so while I'd love a corner back with our first pick, we should grab this guy...I believe he'll fall, because he's raw (switched to offense from defense) and he only played 1 year at Utah. He does have excellent skills. Is it a risk? Of course...But the way Jared was getting killed yesterday forced my hand...no more G-Rob on the Left side...Put him at RT...Battle with Glassmen Saffold and now Havenstein for playing time...
    I also love Ryan Ramczyk of Wisconsin...Cam Thomas of FSU....I'd add video, but this is a long post already. What say you?
     
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    Forrest Lamp...

    Hall of fame name right there.
     
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    We could use an upgrade at pretty much all of the offensive line spots
     
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    We need the next cornerstone Center with #2
    Keep Barnes and we have great depth
     
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    I with you here fully...That left side was as bad as we have seen since the season began. There was no improvement between GRob & Jamon Brown. I thought the absence of Saffold @ LG to help & assist GRob was front & center for hordes of GRob fans here....I believe Jamon Brown might be salvageable here @ LG with a new OL coach. Rams need an immediate divorce between GRob & the LT post for good GRob needs to pay alimony payments until he is released @ the end of the 2017 season. You might get a short learn time period from flipping him to RT instead of retraining in to be an interior post. Grob might be a good reserve RT but NEVER again should any HC consider him @ LT. Its over!

    I would make getting a starting CB my #1 priority with that #37 2nd round draft selection but from that point I looking hard for any LT prospect second. Rams might get by with a 2017 UFA LT signing, a fully healed Darrell Williams, Pace Murphy & give former high school LT Andrew Donnal a good try too (I thought he did a good job filling in for Saffold @ starting LT) ...if they decide to keep Saffold then he would get thrown into the mix then add a decent talent drafted rookie might give us some improvement @ the LT post in 2017. That's 6 prospects right there.
     
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    Barnes is garbage
     
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    Give me some Dion Dawkins at LT with our 2'nd round draft pick. Wait and he'll be gone. Comes from a pro style offense and should be ready on day 1. Had some minor legal issues which may allow him to slip to us. Not many opportunities to grab first round talent in the 2'nd, and if we can land him it helps make up for not having a first round pick. Time to cut our losses on GRob at LT and move him to the interior. jmo.
     
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    I was thinking the same for awhile favoring Elflein or Pocic with our 2'nd rd pick, but a quality young vet like J.C. Tretter might be had at a pretty decent price, so i'd now prefer those draft picks used where free agents might be too expensive for the quality we are looking for. Dump Barnes now, we save $3.mil with no dead money hit. Train up Wichmann as Tretter's back-up. Tretter graded out (PFF) as the # 10 overall Center last season compared to Barnes # 33. jmo.
     
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    I got a peak at this kid at Senior Bowl practice tape....he's got short arms...probably not a tackle...but he can play..And is put together..I mean...I was really impressed with him. Check him out...I'll put some youtube stuff on the line play in another post.
     
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    #10 Riverumbbq, Feb 6, 2017
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    Unless we land a quality LT as a free agent or in a pre-draft trade, LT is one position we must address early in the draft. I prefer taking care of this prior to the draft if possible, but in the event it can't be done, I have to reserve our first pick in the 2'nd round for a potential starter if McVay and his team of experts see one that fits his vision for the future. No way can we begin another season relying on Greg Robinson to hopefully come around, we need help now, not wait on what has been a developmental failure up to now. If GRob moves inside, we may still have time to turn him into a Saffold like 'jack of all trades' swingman eventually, but 2017 waits on no one, and if Goff is to have a chance with this offense next season, he needs solid play from his LT. jmo.
     
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    Put me down for no unless Kromer feels that Robinson is past saving at LT. I think fixing the interior OL will make a huge difference when it comes to the tackle position.
     
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    I have to agree. Robinson can play, his issues IMO based on what I have seen is he misses too many assignments and misses blocks due to not knowing who to pick up in a certain scheme. I think he can play LT just fine, very rarely was he beat 1 on 1. Obviously I dont know the play calls and have never spoken to Robinson but in just watching it seems he needs to be coached up better and coaching needs to have him better prepared.

    I wouldnt give up on this player yet, unless he is just not trying to be prepared.
     
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    I think for McVay's 1st year he should find a Vet LOT in the FA Market, and Draft a prospect in the 3rd or later rounds. Personally I want the Rams to look for Pass Rusher's or CB's/DB's 1st then maybe a WR in the Draft! JMO
     
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    Does anyone know what Robinson's Wonderlic score was ?
     
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    That's one heck of a gamble you're willing to take. GRob will be working on his 4'th camp and at least one off-season training tutorial with LeCharles Bentley, but we are to feel comfortable that our new 2017 OL Coach Kromer will work enough magic to turn his play around in one short camp ?
    If this were just about any other position on the offense outside of QB, I might be inclined to wanna believe, but this is the blind side of our near rookie QB who needs to build some confidence in his game, on an otherwise pretty poor remainder of an OL, all while he and the OL adjust to learning a new system. I believe it's fairly plain that Robinson won't be offered a 5'th year option at the beginning of his 4'th season, so if he fails one more time, not only is he likely lost to us as a free agent in 2018, we will never know if he could have succeeded as an interior player until observed on another team. For me, ... that's playing with fire.
    Here's :cheers: to hoping it all works out. jmo.
     
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    How much of Greg's issues are play vs. a lack of understanding of his assignment and poor chemistry with the LG? It seemed like our issues along the OL often came from blown assignments rather than our guys just getting manhandled.(aside from the RG spot)

    Greg and Saffold got repeatedly killed this year on stunts.

    The LT position is very overrated in terms of value. Even if Greg doesn't improve, we can do a lot to protect him if the we significantly improve the interior OL.

    Here's a great read from Geoff Schwartz (a recently retired NFL OL):
    http://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/27/14066912/nfl-pass-protection-offensive-line-how-to
     
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    I'm fine with what you are getting at, but i'm also tired of excuses for poor play. While i'm sure GRob is trying his best within whatever terrible scheme Boras conjured up, he looks like he is guessing out their in pass pro, and it's often wrong. He hasn't the quickness or smoothness of feet to reverse course once caught off guard, whether it's defensive penetration outside or between the gaps. Unless he gets a bad angle, he's rarely going to be manhandled, and we've seen a devastating punch when run blocking at times, but not very consistent at all. I was quite shocked to see how poor his rush blocking grades were compared to his already bad pass pro.
    The reason I asked if anyone was aware of his wonderlic score is because i'm not sure he is grasping some of his responsibilities, he looks lost at times, and I have to imagine confusion leads to many of his penalties. Of course, then he'll surprise us & look sharp for a series or even a couple games, then it's back to looking clueless. This would be easier if it appeared to be a lack of effort, but I don't get that feeling, although coming into camp overweight and becoming a healthy scratch from the starting lineup later in the season doesn't help his case. The problem with getting him help is that his help needs its own help, and our TE's & OL aren't exactly pro-bowl blockers either. Harkey had fewer snaps this season than in his last several, was he harboring an injury or did Boras just scheme him out ? Turns out tiny Tavon Austin is one of our best run blockers when Harkey isn't in the line-up, and that's a bit scary if ever he's our final defense for keeping Goff upright. :LOL: The more I watch GRob, the more i'd like to see him working in that enclosed OG box where elite footwork isn't as necessary, where his skills as a mauler may be better utilized.
    The gamble is, i'll repeat, if Robinson doesn't work out at LT for his 4'th season in a row, we'll never know if he may have lit it up as an OG, and he'll be lost to us in free agency to discover what may have been. I don't want to wake up in the middle of our 2018 season to hear that he is playing at a pro-bowl level as an OG, ... for some other team.
    jmo.
     
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    We can re-sign him to a "prove it" deal and try him at OG.

    I don't think it's an excuse. You're describing a guy who didn't seem to understand what he was doing out there. That described pretty much our entire OL last year. That goes beyond one player not being good enough.
     
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    Again I don't know what is going on in the locker room. My opinion is based solely on what I saw.

    So to my point, show me a play in which a defender disengaged with Robinson and put our QB in harms way. We can't because it never happened. Robinson was fine most of the time in all the games. The issues and concerns I had with him is when he does get beat it's because he does not block anyone. It leads me to think he is missing assignments. The breakdowns on the left side between him and Saffold were alarming. So based on what I seen it appears Robinsons struggles are mental not physical. Now that is either the players not getting it or caring or coaching not preparing the line. Saffold also has a part in this also.

    The new staff needs to determine if Robinsons struggles were past coaching related or player related. I don't know what calls were made at the line and if Saffold or Robinson were supposed to block X player. Only the players know for sure.

    I have to think if the coaches can better prepare him and put a player who can help him with calls at the line next to him we have a very good LT because he has the physical tools to succeed. I am banking on better coaching because I think the kid can play and succeed

    All this being said it is shocking to me that Saffold was not able to help in that regard.
     
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    I can't argue about a stud DE or CB. I still think Garrett Bolles will fall to 37...and we can grab him. I also thing Jarrad Davis, the LB outta Florida will fall to our 3rd. We could then address CB's, S, hell even DE's with later picks.
    You can find wrs anywhere......
    I wanna guess 7 or 14....something I remember reading.

    It true...he doesn't seem to understand what to do from play to play. But the worst part of this is, we have SEVERAL OL's that do this too. So, either they are all 7 on the wonderlic, or someone's not explaining the scheme clearly.

    Excellent point and totally agree...

    The reason I don't want a Witworth, or Vollmer...Khalil or any other FA OLT, is I just think like jrry, we just need some competent play....and a scheme to help the tackles if need be. I'd gather a rookie could handle this. And...I'm looking to see either a new Greg Robinson, or a position change (RT)
     
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