Which QB should the Rams draft next year and where?

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This shit is not black and white. It isn't that simple.

Simpson is better in some ways. Payton better in others. There is projection and guesswork. So looking at media draft boards like gospel can be misleading.

Last season media boards had Dart as a midround value which was wrong. Shough was old above and beyond everything else and disregarded but he had size, a good arm, and strong film.

This season is even harder because the guys being talked up are not even ideal height. Simpson is no lock. Nuss isn't a high pedigree either. Both have intriguing aspects. Both may hit. But if the Rams take Klubnik over one of them I don't think it would be a crazy stretch. As he has similar flaws and different strengths.

Or Payton same deal. This group is muddy as fuck. There are no clear answers after Mendoza who is a slam dunk.
Well, you have to trust your scouts, coaches, and GM to clear those muddy waters and come up with who they value the most for this system. Thats their job afterall. Maybe none are worth day 1 or 2 pick, but if one is, that's the guy you try to get instead of settling for a bargain 5th rounder. That's all I am saying.
 
If he is the guy they want, he's not a reach
His value is what the Rams have on him, not what the "experts" say
Well all know this. But since we don't know the Rams board we are speculating.

I have a feeling Payton is gonna climb, or may be higher than the media sites have him based on his raw tools. So there could be a lot of teams who have him round 2 or maybe higher who knows. He's probably the best fit for the Rams given that he's got real talent and can sit on our depth chart behind a great QB and soak it in.

The smaller guys I think are closer together than the media sites list them. Keep saying I'm fine with Simpson and I trust the Rams. But I think the ideal world for this draft is let some team overdraft him while we load this defense or add another WR weapon for Stafford.

If I had to put a draft window value on Simpson I'd say he's a round 2 type, and that's by overlooking the small sample size which bugs me. I just prefer a longer window of hard knocks with these guys. And if he is a round 2 value, which who knows what teams think, then it would make sense for us to take a shot on him with our late 1st round pick. But I'd rather have one of these higher ranked NTs or one of the wideouts, or one of the corners because I want another title with Stafford.
 
Well, you have to trust your scouts, coaches, and GM to clear those muddy waters and come up with who they value the most for this system. Thats their job afterall. Maybe none are worth day 1 or 2 pick, but if one is, that's the guy you try to get instead of settling for a bargain 5th rounder. That's all I am saying.
The difference is you're acting like we need QB right now. I also want a QB. But I'm willing to consider other needs, the value of those other players instead of said QB, and I have looked at these guys and I don't think there's a vast gulf between Simpson and any of the other slighter framed QBs in this group.
 
The difference is you're acting like we need QB right now. I also want a QB. But I'm willing to consider other needs, the value of those other players instead of said QB, and I have looked at these guys and I don't think there's a vast gulf between Simpson and any of the other slighter framed QBs in this group.
That last sentence is where you differ from a whole lot of people and why you'll continue to get pushback and comments. Not trying g to be hyperbolic but the only replies to that are going to come off that way.
 
Well all know this. But since we don't know the Rams board we are speculating.

I have a feeling Payton is gonna climb, or may be higher than the media sites have him based on his raw tools. So there could be a lot of teams who have him round 2 or maybe higher who knows. He's probably the best fit for the Rams given that he's got real talent and can sit on our depth chart behind a great QB and soak it in.

The smaller guys I think are closer together than the media sites list them. Keep saying I'm fine with Simpson and I trust the Rams. But I think the ideal world for this draft is let some team overdraft him while we load this defense or add another WR weapon for Stafford.

If I had to put a draft window value on Simpson I'd say he's a round 2 type, and that's by overlooking the small sample size which bugs me. I just prefer a longer window of hard knocks with these guys. And if he is a round 2 value, which who knows what teams think, then it would make sense for us to take a shot on him with our late 1st round pick. But I'd rather have one of these higher ranked NTs or one of the wideouts, or one of the corners because I want another title with Stafford.
I get that argument. I am torn myself on the approach.

I have given more thought to a QB when you hear Stafford say he needs time to think about whether he will comeback next year. Makes me think this really is only a one or two year at most future with Stafford.

I would feel much better about ignoring the QB position if he came right out and said sonething like, "Hell yeah I coming back. I have a lot more years left in me!"

Him being torn about it, makes me want to get someone in the building ASAP, to learn from him and to just develop under McVay for a year, without being thrown to the wolves on day one as a rookie.
 
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Word out of Senior Bowl is that Nussmeier looks good now that he's not injured and even the interception he threw was a drop by the pass catcher.

Sounds like he'll be a day 2 pick that may get pushed up even higher.
 
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I get that argument. I am torn myself on the approach.

I have given more thought to a QB when you hear Stafford say he needs time to think about whether he will comeback next year. Makes me think this really is only a one or two year at most future with Stafford.

I would feel much better about ignoring the QB position if he came right out and said sonething like, "Hell yeah I coming back. I have a lot more years left in me!"

Him being torn about it, makes me want to get someone in the building ASAP, to learn from him and to just develop under McVay for a year, without being thrown to the wolves on day one as a rookie.
Nah I get you man. And in this conversation, due to the projection of these guys being so difficult, it is the conversation itself that I enjoy not the destination of where I or anyone else sort them. I just think that we see this effect every year, where the media listings of where the QBs are slated settles into the minds of the fans in form of some unassailable groupthink. And it's always wrong with numerous players in terms of how they end up translating to the league. Which is why I mentioned Dart and Shough.

And I would say if the Rams load it up for Stafford, and from there if he were to miss significant time due to injury, then they'd end up with a high pick in a draft that should have a good QB class. High for McVay of course being probably around 10th-20th so middle third of the first round. But if there's let's say six intriguing QBs, then maybe it's possible to move up from there to get one they really like.

Back to Simpson... He's a really hard evaluation because the guy we saw down the stretch looked like a smallish backup. McVay could undoubtedly get the most from him. But he could probably get the most from some of the others as well. And some of those others have more talent than Simpson, or more size, or more mobility etc.
 
Well all know this. But since we don't know the Rams board we are speculating.

I have a feeling Payton is gonna climb, or may be higher than the media sites have him based on his raw tools. So there could be a lot of teams who have him round 2 or maybe higher who knows. He's probably the best fit for the Rams given that he's got real talent and can sit on our depth chart behind a great QB and soak it in.

The smaller guys I think are closer together than the media sites list them. Keep saying I'm fine with Simpson and I trust the Rams. But I think the ideal world for this draft is let some team overdraft him while we load this defense or add another WR weapon for Stafford.

If I had to put a draft window value on Simpson I'd say he's a round 2 type, and that's by overlooking the small sample size which bugs me. I just prefer a longer window of hard knocks with these guys. And if he is a round 2 value, which who knows what teams think, then it would make sense for us to take a shot on him with our late 1st round pick. But I'd rather have one of these higher ranked NTs or one of the wideouts, or one of the corners because I want another title with Stafford.
Talking in circles a bit here.
No speculation needed, if the Rams like the player Simpson, they'll draft him if he's available when they pick. If he's not high on their board, they wont.
Snead said himself several times. They'd like to add a young QB, but the right one at the right time (paraphrasing)
A lot can change but I think the one thing that is clear is that Simpson will be the 2nd QB off the board. Who goes 3rd and on will be interesting
 
That last sentence is where you differ from a whole lot of people and why you'll continue to get pushback and comments. Not trying g to be hyperbolic but the only replies to that are going to come off that way.
I don't mind the pushback. As I was under the impression we're having a fun QB discussion here. Shows what I know.
 
Talking in circles a bit here.
No speculation needed, if the Rams like the player Simpson, they'll draft him if he's available when they pick. If he's not high on their board, they wont.
Snead said himself several times. They'd like to add a young QB, but the right one at the right time (paraphrasing)
A lot can change but I think the one thing that is clear is that Simpson will be the 2nd QB off the board. Who goes 3rd and on will be interesting
No speculation is ever needed. But we do it anyway.

I agree it's likely Simpson is the 2nd QB off the board. However I feel the need to mention that I don't consider where teams take a QB to be a validation of whether I or anyone else is correct or incorrect in how we sort these QBs. What will be a validation is how they play in the league.

5 years from now how does it look. Will Simpson be the best QB from this class? Maybe so. Or maybe not. But I'm not all invested in where teams take them as some sort of indicator that any of us are seeing them right or wrong. If the Browns take Payton at 6th overall it doesn't mean he is better than Simpson who let's say goes 13th overall to the Rams. It wouldn't invalidate your take that Simpson is the QB2 in this draft either.

Just a distinction that I think is important in this conversation. I'm not trying to predict which QB goes where. I'm trying to project them. And it's probably a waste of time but that's what we do here.
 
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Why not go for Mendoza? The right offer might shake the Raiders off the pick.

QB, and having a superstar qb, is a trend with the super bowl winners over the years. The winners got the superstar, such as Brady, Mahomes and many more as you go back in time.

This super bowl has Maye and Darnold. Hard to argue they did not have stellar seasons.

Rams need a stud QB to be in super bowl contention, or the odds they don't make dwindle.
 
I don't mind the pushback. As I was under the impression we're having a fun QB discussion here. Shows what I know.
I'm having fun just pointing the difference of opinion. I think Simpson is a 1st round QB. There are a couple that could go in the 4th on upside. The rest are 7th round or udfa that have the career upside of a backup. We disagree and we keep yappi g at each other about it.
 
Why not go for Mendoza? The right offer might shake the Raiders off the pick.

QB, and having a superstar qb, is a trend with the super bowl winners over the years. The winners got the superstar, such as Brady, Mahomes and many more as you go back in time.

This super bowl has Maye and Darnold. Hard to argue they did not have stellar seasons.

Rams need a stud QB to be in super bowl contention, or the odds they don't make dwindle.
So a new head coach who's sn OC is going to trade away the only real sure fire starting QB and run with Geno Smith? The same Geno that the HCs previous team got rid of after 1 year as their OC?

Good luck with that.
 
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I'm having fun just pointing the difference of opinion. I think Simpson is a 1st round QB. There are a couple that could go in the 4th on upside. The rest are 7th round or udfa that have the career upside of a backup. We disagree and we keep yappi g at each other about it.
That playoff loss was not good for him. He was ineffective, got hurt, then the backup came in and moved the offense and looked like the superior QB.
 
I'm having fun just pointing the difference of opinion.
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Neither Beck nor Nussmeier have much mobility. Beck's arm is underwhelming. Nussmeier's is average. If people take shots on them by the 3rd or 4th, good. It'll push another player down the board for us. Allar is toolsy, but he's not good at playing QB at this point. Don't know if that'll ever change. In the latter part of Day 3, I'd take a shot on him. If we're looking to draft a toolsy guy, I'd take my chances with Cole Payton over Beck and Allar.
I have to admit that Payton is my latest QB crush. I also read somewhere that his ball comes out of his hand somehow more like a right handed thrower. Not sure how that works but they were saying that lefties have a weird spin that can be difficult for receivers but that his ball flies more like a right hander. I like what I've seen from him though and he seems like someone that could be pretty good after a year or two with NFL coaching.
 
Only thing that he has in common with Stafford is his jersey number. And I’m not just saying MVP Stafford. You could take any version of Matthew (going back to Georgia) and he shits all over this g
That's fair, however, I do think he runs better then a young Stafford, however, I do think Payton is someone that you might be able to develop.
 
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