DRAFT Where do you stand on QB Ty Simpson?

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Where do you think Ty Simpson would be good value in the upcoming draft?

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Ram Ts said:
Seriously Joe Montana?!?! He's referencing a guy picked five (5) decades ago in the 70's! I just can't anymore lol
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How about Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Brett Farve... Hell that's just one franchise who got two HOFers and a pretty good starter with none of those players being high first round picks.

Then lets go onto Drew Brees. How about Tom Brady? How about Kurt Warner? More recently we have Jalen Hurts and of course Purdy. Just last year we got Tyler Shough, who looks like a keeper, but admittedly early for that.

So yeah, with the right team and system, you can get a quality starter late rd 1 and even beyond that. Will to get an all time great? Rare for that to happen, but it has. You already referenced Montana, could add Marino who was the last pick in rd 1. However, if fans expect the Rams to fall into a HOF QB, I got news for you... likley wont happen. Can they win with a Purdy or Hurts level player? Sure. We have seen other organizations do so.
 
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TheTackle said:
Did you know that would be the case when he was drafted? I said basically that. Will Simpson be a starter in this league? The rest is on a wait and see basis. There are aspects of his game that are similar to great players but that does not mean he will definitely become one

Will the no 1 pick? I ask because some here seem to think so but that remains to be seen and statistically I wouldn’t bet on it

Montana fell to the 3rd round. Why? Because people had reservations. Rogers? The same. His draft evals were eerily similar to Simpsons. I am not saying he will but its well within reason he might
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Simpson's athleticism in arm strength, accuracy, torque, pocket movement, escapability, rushing and height/weight aren't even in the same galaxy as was Rodgers when he came out.

Unfortunately - and no disrespect to a great QB - but I don't know how helpful it is to compare Montana to what modern day QBs are both asked to do and can provide in athleticism.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
Simpson's athleticism in arm strength, accuracy, torque, pocket movement, escapability, rushing and height/weight aren't even in the same galaxy as was Rodgers when he came out.

Unfortunately - and no disrespect to a great QB - but I don't know how helpful it is to compare Montana to what modern day QBs are both asked to do and can provide in athleticism.
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What makes me laugh is I was agreeing with you when I read "Simpson's athleticism in arm strength, accuracy, torque, pocket movement, escapability, rushing and height/weight" thinking you were about to say something positive :-) FFS, those are his strengths!

Well, maybe not the height/weight! Although, he has time to put good muscle on
 
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TheTackle said:
What makes me laugh is I was agreeing with you when I read "Simpson's athleticism in arm strength, accuracy, torque, pocket movement, escapability, rushing and height/weight" thinking you were about to say something positive :-) FFS, those are his strengths!
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Simpson has an average arm. I would not describe it as a strength. He's above having the bare minimum arm.

By the way I like the kid, stronger armed Brock Purdy (who has a below average arm). But his ceiling is not and never will be Rodgers... maybe it could be Brees but not likely.
 
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I have thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, and we are all on the record, so I will let you think about this gem for all of us who bitterly remember how great Montana was

Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6½ (out of 9). The report said: "He can thread the needle, but usually goes with his primary receiver and forces the ball to him even when he's in a crowd. He's a gutty, gambling, cocky type. Doesn't have great tools, but could eventually start"
 
WestCoastRam said:
Simpson has an average arm. I would not describe it as a strength. He's above having the bare minimum arm.

By the way I like the kid, stronger armed Brock Purdy (who has a below average arm). But his ceiling is not and never will be Rodgers... maybe it could be Brees but not likely.
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You are almost certain to be right, but he will be a starter in this league, and that is his floor

That is what I said, and I feel confident sticking by it

As for Rogers... "Another unnamed scout said of Rodgers, "He's a system quarterback. (He's a) 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy."" :-)

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TheTackle said:
I have thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, and we are all on the record, so I will let you think about this gem for all of us who bitterly remember how great Montana was

Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6½ (out of 9). The report said: "He can thread the needle, but usually goes with his primary receiver and forces the ball to him even when he's in a crowd. He's a gutty, gambling, cocky type. Doesn't have great tools, but could eventually start"
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And he benefited insanely from the emergence of the westcoast offense. Montana too had an average arm and given the development of the tampa-2 may not have been able to opperate at the high level he did when throwing slants, outs and crossers especially against the tremendous athleticism that is now all over the spine of defenses (instead of a over half a dozen Troy Reeders trying to defend the pass).

That being said, he may also have been able to benefit from the high amount of motion in todays NFL. He would be a great starter but probably not one of the greatests.
 
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TheTackle said:
You are almost certain to be right, but he will be a starter in this league, and that is his floor

That is what I said, and I feel confident sticking by it

As for Rogers... "Another unnamed scout said of Rodgers, "He's a system quarterback. (He's a) 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy."" :-)

www.sportingnews.com

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Aaron Rodgers was considered a premier talent in the 2005 NFL Draft, but some evaluators missed badly on the future Hall of Famer.
www.sportingnews.com www.sportingnews.com
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After I had seen Rodgers almost beat a great USC team on a shitty Cardinal team by completing 21 passes in a row, I knew Rodgers would be a great QB. Too bad he was an asshole.

Also, I saw Montana bring Notre Dame back from a 35-0 deficit in a bowl game to win the game for Notre Dame. I was extremely high on Montana as well after seeing that.

I haven't seen Simpson do that in college. Again he might be a decent QB in the pros but I want a better than decent QB. Plus with his injury history for one season, I say NO.
 
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PhillyRam said:
How about Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Brett Farve... Hell that's just one franchise who got two HOFers and a pretty good starter with none of those players being high first round picks.

Then lets go onto Drew Brees. How about Tom Brady? How about Kurt Warner? More recently we have Jalen Hurts and of course Purdy. Just last year we got Tyler Shough, who looks like a keeper, but admittedly early for that.

So yeah, with the right team and system, you can get a quality starter late rd 1 and even beyond that. Will to get an all time great? Rare for that to happen, but it has. You already referenced Montana, could add Marino who was the last pick in rd 1. However, if fans expect the Rams to fall into a HOF QB, I got news for you... likley wont happen. Can they win with a Purdy or Hurts level player? Sure. We have seen other organizations do so.
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Yeah I'm not the one making the claim that you have to be a top of the 1st round pick to be an elite QB. I simply was laughing at the Montana reference someone made. Like seriously, the NFL and the draft (resources/scouts) in the late 70's is several universes beyond what it is currently. You can't compare it.

Warner is one of those once in a lifetime things. Brees is also a very extreme outlier.

Love was always a developmental guy. You can make a case they took him too high. He just happened to work out. Marino is too far back to compare to modern NFL imo (different world). Farve as well. Shough didn't go high because of valid reasons -- age (26?) and injuries. Jury is still out there but he looks like a keeper. Brady -- not sure how he fell with his size, but he's also a unicorn.

Also, QBs nowadays are sooo valuable that they get drafted on a wing and prayer, hopes, or just a lottery ticket. Several rounds before they should. Just in case you hit. Again, it's a different world scouting, resources, emphasize, etc. from 30-50+ years ago. But you still can find guys in late 1st or even Day 2-3 and build them up. Outliers -- sure. But it'll happen because translation to the NFL for a QB is like witchcraft (hard to tell for sure who has "it" and who doesn't....or who will eventually get "it" after a few years developing).

Personally, i don't think you absolutely NEED a high pick. Getting lucky....developing the right guy....proper scouting -- those are more important. How many absolute BUST have we seen the past 10 years for QBs going top 5 or so? It's pretty crazy. You could just as easily make a case that going early is a bust in waiting for a QB (joking of course....kinda).

Sorry, i unexpectedly rambled on there ;)
 
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Tano said:
After I had seen Rodgers almost beat a great USC team on a shitty Cardinal team by completing 21 passes in a row, I knew Rodgers would be a great QB. Too bad he was an asshole.

Also, I saw Montana bring Notre Dame back from a 35-0 deficit in a bowl game to win the game for Notre Dame. I was extremely high on Montana as well after seeing that.

I haven't seen Simpson do that in college. Again he might be a decent QB in the pros but I want a better than decent QB. Plus with his injury history for one season, I say NO.
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Kids gotta chance to be a top 15 starter in the NFL (maybe there's a year or two where he sniffs top 10), that's not nothing!
 
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TheTackle said:
I have thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, and we are all on the record, so I will let you think about this gem for all of us who bitterly remember how great Montana was

Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6½ (out of 9). The report said: "He can thread the needle, but usually goes with his primary receiver and forces the ball to him even when he's in a crowd. He's a gutty, gambling, cocky type. Doesn't have great tools, but could eventually start"
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We already heard from folks that Montana references are too old and have no place in today's modern football discussion on the board. Good football fandom....High-Level, gotta get there.....
 
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This is an interesting one to watch. It's not long but they do say a lot of what we have discussed

They talk about his surprising arm strength, ability to throw off a platform, and talk about elite abilities

It's a sensible conversation that also mentions his lack of starts. They do not criticise his play but do say there are questions

There always are questions

They endorse the Jets taking him 16th


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYbntAloFfE
 
dieterbrock said:
Rodgers played for Stanford? Who knew?
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