http://boards.giants.com/forum/new-...-about-giants-football/2996168-richburg-to-ir
Giants place starting center Weston Richburg on IR
How often is a concussion an IR injury with 8 games to play?
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its definitely odd
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Could have sworn it was when Eli got manhandled and thrown to the ground like a ragdoll. While in the trajectory to the ground, Eli accidentally leg whpped a grounded Richburg in the head , who (Richburg) had just been on the receiving end of a punishing blitzing cornerback who had just throttled him.
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Probably the end of his time as a Giant
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http://boards.giants.com/forum/new-...ost-bye-game-against-the-rams-|-injury-report
6 Giants ruled out for post-bye game against the Rams | Injury report
OUT for the Giants on Sunday: LB Jonathan Casillas, LB BJ Goodson, RT Justin Pugh, DE Olivier Vernon, C Weston Richburg, DE Kerry Wynn
A couple of thoughts here...
No linebackers on Sunday...no big deal, we haven't had any since '11 anyway.
No Pugh...for all of you guys who want to get rid of Eli, you might get your wish.
No Richburg...that's some concussion...the kid from Canada is better that Reese's 2nd round pick anyway
No Vernon, No Wynn...
Rams add a little help to JPP's side and Goff will be able to have lunch back there.
Sunday should be fabulous.
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I was at the game and didn't notice Pugh's injury...then i saw 68 out there and almost threw up. Eli's gonna get it from both sides this week. Just like week one.
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On no....we're screwed, (spoken in a monotone, Ben Stein-ish voice)
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Mr Bill might be more appropriate, lol.
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To bad McAdoo isn’t injured.
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How is that even possible? can 2017 just end, please....
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https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=559366
and to think we have 9 games to go. What a nightmare.
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Rams have 23 sacks coming in Conner Barwin must be licking his chops with Brockers and Donald in the middle .
Eli might want to go with the flack jacket this week .
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Looking forward to another fun filled Sunday afternoon Giant game.
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And are they trying to get Eli killed? No OL, No receivers, and no run game... great. We might keep pace with SF and CLE after all.
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These guys might care about winning, but they are not going to risk their careers pushing the envelope on injuries at 1-6.
Can t blame them.
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Keep Eli alive...play ' the bodies'....let the auditions begin!
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https://www.bigblueview.com/2017/11...-flowers-better-but-giants-offense-a-hot-mess
Shaun O’Hara: Ereck Flowers “better,” but Giants’ offense a “hot mess”
Ex-Giant offers thoughts
by Ed Valentine
Scott R. Galvin-USA TODAY Sports
The
New York Giants’ much-maligned offensive line will feature its sixth starting configuration of the season on Sunday when
Justin Pugh sits out with
Bobby Hart likely starting at right tackle. That has to be part of the reason former Giants and current NFL analyst
Shaun O’Hara doesn’t like what he sees.
"If you want to know good offensive line coaching and good offensive line groups all you have to do is turn on the tape and all their footwork looks the same. They're all stepping with the same feet. In combo blocks they all look the same,” O’Hara said during an appearance this week on the ‘
Game Theory and Money’ podcast. “The Giants, you turn them on, they look like five totally different offensive linemen. They don't have the same footwork."
Whether that’s a shot at Giants offensive line coach Mike Solari or not isn’t clear. Take it any way you want. With guys going from position to position (Pugh,
John Jerry and
Brett Jones have all played two spots this season) it shouldn’t be surprising that things don’t always look right.
O’Hara addressed a variety of other topics related to the Giants’ offensive line.
Ereck Flowers
Of course, O’Hara was asked — and had a lot to say — about the often-criticized third-year left tackle.
"He's gotten better this year. He's still kind of become the whipping boy in New York. If Eli gets hit it's automatically Flowers' fault. That's kind of the narrative that's gone on,” O’Hara said. "He still struggles with a lot of elementary aspects and techniques in o-line play, which that to me is what's frustrating to see and what's a head scratcher.”
At times we see Flowers beaten by defenders he should be sealing off on the back side of run plays. O’Hara has a theory:
“I think he's really tight in the hips and he can't open up and run. As good as they've said his footwork is coming out he's not as athletic as you would think he would be,” he said.
We have also heard multiple times that Flowers’ usage of his hands is inconsistent. Here’s O’Hara on that:
“He's always struggled with his hands. He looks like Yogi Bear the way that he just kind of hugs everybody. He got away with it in college so it's kind of become a bad habit for him,” O’Hara said.
"You can see him working on it, he's really trying. when he gets his hands inside he's a really good left tackle because he's really strong. But he doesn't trust that punch and when he starts to go against a speed rusher or a guy that's got a little shake 'n bake he doesn't trust the punch so then he just grabs. It's kinda like his safety net, and that's where he gets himself in trouble."
We have also seen video clip after video clip of Flowers dropping his head in pass protection. O’Hara explains why that happens:
"The other thing I look at is you should never have your face in the block in pass pro. Anytime you watch a tackle and you see he got beat, nine times out of 10 it's because he got his face in the block When you bring your face with the punch and they chop 'em (your hands) down your head goes down, too, and when that happens you're done, they're by your shoulder,” O’Hara said.
"That's one of the things that
Ereck Flowers really needs to work on. I can't tell you how many times I've seen him get beat and it's just that simple getting your face into the block."
Brett Jones
A third-year player, Jones has seen his most extensive action this season. He has started one game at left guard, and Sunday will be his fourth straight start at center in place of
Weston Richburg, who remains out with a concussion.
"I think Brett Jones has actually done a really good job. I think he's been phenomenal in the run game and he's a little spark plug. He's like the size of a fire hydrant, but he’s got really run action,” O’Hara said. “One of the things we always say as o lineman is 'get your feet out of the hole.'
It creates movement in the run game, but also protects you from guys falling on your ankles, that's how you get hurt. He does a great job getting his feet out of the hole on back blocks and a lot of those 'A' gap runs that we saw
Orleans Darkwa bust against Denver."
The running game
The Giants are 30th in the NFL in rushing attempts per game (21.3), 22nd in yards per rushing attempt (3.9) and 27th in rushing yards per game at 83.3. In their only victory of the season, over the
Denver Broncos, the Giants ran the ball 32 times for 148 yards. That was offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan’s first game calling plays.
"The Giants o line, here's the problem. The problem is that a lot of their runs are shotgun runs and they're out of two-point (stance). They don't get to fire out and be super-aggressive a lot of times, and then at the end of the game they try to go into their four-minute offense and they try to run run plays they haven't been running all game long and it doesn't work,” O’Hara said.
"I'm sure they're frustrated, too, as offensive linemen if you don't get 25 runs in a game it's hard to get rhythm. We saw once Mike Sullivan took over they kind of committed to that run. As long as they do that it will help them out, but right now they don't have anybody to throw it to. It's really a hot mess right now."
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McAdoo will tell ya ...
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Rams fan here.
I will say, coming out Ereck Flowers was a guy who reminded me way too much of Greg Robinson at the time. Greg Robinson, who happened to be the Rams left tackle, was absolutely awful. Liked to hold way too much and couldn’t ever really figure out how to get technically better, even though our Oline coach had shown a knack for developing talent prior to him.
In Flowers, I saw the same type of guy. A guy who just wasn’t fit for the NFL technically, but was just an athletic marvel. If those guys ever learned how to use their hands and feet in sync, they could easily be Top 5 tackles, but that doesn’t seem to be the case…