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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15120726/donte-whitner-released-cleveland-browns

The Cleveland Browns' roster "reboot" continued Saturday, when the team released veteran safety Donte Whitner.

"It is important for us to thank Donte for all of his contributions to the Cleveland Browns over the last two seasons," Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said in a statement. "His passion for this city and dedication to his craft was contagious. These are difficult decisions to make, but we felt it was the best decision for the Browns at this time. We wish him the best as he continues his career."

Whitner becomes the latest veteran and seventh starter to leave the Browns since the 2015 season ended.

Whitner and inside linebacker Karlos Dansby have been released, and offensive tackle Mitchell Schwartz, receiver Travis Benjamin, safety Tashaun Gipson, inside linebacker Craig Robertson and center Alex Mack left as free agents.

The Browns must replace both starting safeties from last season, as well as the team's two leading tacklers. Dansby led the Browns with 108 tackles; Whitner was second with 81. Dansby, 34, signed with the Bengals; Whitner, 30, becomes a free agent.

Brown said at the NFL's annual meetings that the team was not looking at age when deciding who stayed.

"It's not a scorched earth policy or a policy just making decisions on a guy's age," Brown said. "We want to look at who can contribute to us. Those guys may come in all different packages and all different ages."

Brown said "we look at it as a build" and not as being in rebuilding mode.

Coach Hue Jackson bristled at the word "rebuild" being used for the team's moves.

"Because I think rebuilding says that you're totally junking everything and starting over, and that's not what we're doing," Jackson said. "I think we're rebooting and we're recharging because there's still Joe Thomases on our football team, there's Danny Sheltons on our football team, there's Joe Hadens on our football team.

"So those guys aren't rebuilding. Those guys have played and they've had success, so I don't see it that way. And I think if we can get the right pieces on our team, you never know what this team could be.

"I know the expectation is low, and deservedly so. I get it, but at the same time, I don't think anybody in our organization is built like that. We like to win, and we want to do everything we can to do that."

Whitner spent the last two seasons with the Browns and made one Pro Bowl after signing as a free agent prior to the 2014 season. In two seasons, he had 187 tackles, one interception and nine passes defensed.

Also Saturday, the team released cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, a seventh-round pick a year ago who was trying to come back from a devastating knee injury suffered when he was practicing for Oregon's bowl game in December 2014.

The Browns took a chance on him in the draft, based on his previous play. He spent a year dedicated to rehab, but the knee did not come around enough to keep him on the roster.

The Browns also released quarterback Johnny Manziel and receiver Dwayne Bowe this offseason.
 

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Churning up the factory of sadness and getting rid of anybody with a modicum of talent. And no we don't need to sign Whitner.
 

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Maybe they are open to trading down? They have created themselves a LOT of holes.
 

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Moneyball is actually deciding what factors make the most difference in winning, and then making budget decisions based on that. It's not just avoiding expensive players, it's putting a fresh eye onto where resources can be most effectively spent, instead of just doing what everybody else does.

That being said - if a QB falls in your lap, they may and probably will decide to take advantage of that.
 

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15120726/donte-whitner-released-cleveland-browns

The Cleveland Browns' roster "reboot" continued Saturday, when the team released veteran safety Donte Whitner.

"It is important for us to thank Donte for all of his contributions to the Cleveland Browns over the last two seasons," Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said in a statement. "His passion for this city and dedication to his craft was contagious. These are difficult decisions to make, but we felt it was the best decision for the Browns at this time. We wish him the best as he continues his career."

Whitner becomes the latest veteran and seventh starter to leave the Browns since the 2015 season ended.

Whitner and inside linebacker Karlos Dansby have been released, and offensive tackle Mitchell Schwartz, receiver Travis Benjamin, safety Tashaun Gipson, inside linebacker Craig Robertson and center Alex Mack left as free agents.

The Browns must replace both starting safeties from last season, as well as the team's two leading tacklers. Dansby led the Browns with 108 tackles; Whitner was second with 81. Dansby, 34, signed with the Bengals; Whitner, 30, becomes a free agent.

Brown said at the NFL's annual meetings that the team was not looking at age when deciding who stayed.

"It's not a scorched earth policy or a policy just making decisions on a guy's age," Brown said. "We want to look at who can contribute to us. Those guys may come in all different packages and all different ages."

Brown said "we look at it as a build" and not as being in rebuilding mode.

Coach Hue Jackson bristled at the word "rebuild" being used for the team's moves.

"Because I think rebuilding says that you're totally junking everything and starting over, and that's not what we're doing," Jackson said. "I think we're rebooting and we're recharging because there's still Joe Thomases on our football team, there's Danny Sheltons on our football team, there's Joe Hadens on our football team.

"So those guys aren't rebuilding. Those guys have played and they've had success, so I don't see it that way. And I think if we can get the right pieces on our team, you never know what this team could be.

"I know the expectation is low, and deservedly so. I get it, but at the same time, I don't think anybody in our organization is built like that. We like to win, and we want to do everything we can to do that."

Whitner spent the last two seasons with the Browns and made one Pro Bowl after signing as a free agent prior to the 2014 season. In two seasons, he had 187 tackles, one interception and nine passes defensed.

Also Saturday, the team released cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, a seventh-round pick a year ago who was trying to come back from a devastating knee injury suffered when he was practicing for Oregon's bowl game in December 2014.

The Browns took a chance on him in the draft, based on his previous play. He spent a year dedicated to rehab, but the knee did not come around enough to keep him on the roster.

The Browns also released quarterback Johnny Manziel and receiver Dwayne Bowe this offseason.
Realy makes you wonder what they're up to their!!
 

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Maybe in the case of the safeties, Hue Jackson just doesn't value that position enough to pay veteran money. Maybe he feels he can get good enough safety play on the cheap. Works for Fisher.
 
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Whitner, 30 years old, is now available. Wonder ifthe Rams will bring him in for a look-see.
 

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I just don't understand how the moneyball approach will work in the NFL. Wasn't the point of it because the MLB has no salary cap and a huge disparity in the amount of money teams spend on their rosters? So you go out and find unconventional talent at low cost.... oft past injured players who were once good, a player who showed great stats in one specific role even if they were awful every where else so you pay minimal $ for specific roles and try and put them in those roles, and finding youth that has been over shadowed by heavy recruits who showed a knack for the before mentioned roles needed? All of this because teams like the Athletics couldn't afford $200 million salaries. It was a way of getting enough specific talent at minimal cost.

With a hard salary cap and a forced roster salary that every team has to at least minimally pay every season how is Moneyball even relevant in the NFL? Eventually you're going to have to spend the money on veterans so I don't understand releasing any that might not meet your value expectations? Because you're probably just going to have to fill your roster back up with similar talent and salaries. Maybe I'm just missing the point which is possible.
 

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I just don't understand how the moneyball approach will work in the NFL. Wasn't the point of it because the MLB has no salary cap and a huge disparity in the amount of money teams spend on their rosters? So you go out and find unconventional talent at low cost.... oft past injured players who were once good, a player who showed great stats in one specific role even if they were awful every where else so you pay minimal $ for specific roles and try and put them in those roles, and finding youth that has been over shadowed by heavy recruits who showed a knack for the before mentioned roles needed? All of this because teams like the Athletics couldn't afford $200 million salaries. It was a way of getting enough specific talent at minimal cost.

With a hard salary cap and a forced roster salary that every team has to at least minimally pay every season how is Moneyball even relevant in the NFL? Eventually you're going to have to spend the money on veterans so I don't understand releasing any that might not meet your value expectations? Because you're probably just going to have to fill your roster back up with similar talent and salaries. Maybe I'm just missing the point which is possible.

I think you are right, the NFL isn't really a place where "moneyball" will yield results.
 

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I heard Whitner was terrible last year, blowing coverages and not wrapping up at all. I'd probably rather have Joyner back there. If he's cheap though, I won't be too upset.
 

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Maybe in the case of the safeties, Hue Jackson just doesn't value that position enough to pay veteran money. Maybe he feels he can get good enough safety play on the cheap. Works for Fisher.

Fisher & Snead will have a big decision to make in less than a yr with safety TJ McDonald...will be interesting to see...........:popcorn:

Mo Alexander who finished 7 games for TJ has shown some good ability to be a decent "In The Box Safety" for them. So they have a player ready to step up if they do not come up with the $$ to make TJ happy. However if TJ was able to showcase that not only can he be a top 10 SS in the NFL he can play safety deep in 2016 boy will things get real.....fast for him. I expect to see TJ in TC & pre season @ deep safety with Mo up close.