Through two weeks, NFL teams are struggling to find the end zone

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Not surprising. Offenses normally take longer to gel in a new season than defenses. This week we should see more team's offenses click.
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Through two weeks, NFL teams are struggling to find the end zone
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 19, 2017

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NFL TV ratings are down, and NFL touchdowns are down, and those two things are probably related.

Fans like to watch teams score touchdowns, and there just haven’t been enough of them so far this season. NFL teams are averaging 2.1 touchdowns per game so far this season, compared to 2.6 touchdowns per game in the 2016 season.

Field goals are actually slightly up this season, from 1.7 per game last year to 1.8 per game this year, but overall scoring is down, from 22.8 points per game to 20.1 points per game.

Two teams, the Bengals and 49ers, have failed to score a touchdown at all. The Colts don’t have a passing touchdown yet this season, and a whopping 11 teams — one-third of the league — hasn’t scored a rushing touchdown yet.

NFL rules changes have generally favored the offense, as the league believes scoring generates more fan interest. If offenses don’t turn things around this season, expect even more rules changes favoring the offense next offseason. (That would be unwise. Offenses are favored enough already).
 

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maybe the head coaches need to make then camp out in the end zone ..i seem to remember this is a valid coaching technique
 

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NFL TV ratings are down, and NFL touchdowns are down, and those two things are probably related.

Highly doubtfull IMO.

Am I the only one who enjoys good defensive football just as much if not more then good offensive football? I'm not buying this narrative that fans only want to see games with high scores. No defense is just as boring as watching no offense, my take anyways.
 

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3 things:

1. Give credit to defenses

2. One thing you'll find in common with these zero or one TD teams is bad line play, even though most of them have players at RB and WR.

3. They should all fire their offensive coordinators.
 

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This makes me appreciate the current staff even more, considering our O has found the end zone 5 times in two games and led us to 5 more FG's. Can't put the Rams in the group of bad offenses this year.
 

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33 average for the Rams. It's not our fault :)
 

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Highly doubtfull IMO.

Am I the only one who enjoys good defensive football just as much if not more then good offensive football? I'm not buying this narrative that fans only want to see games with high scores. No defense is just as boring as watching no offense, my take anyways.
I couldn't agree with you more!!(y)(y)

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Former NFL player blames limited time in pads for the league’s wretched OL play
Posted by Charean Williams on September 19, 2017

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Derrick Deese spent 11 seasons in the NFL, playing every position on the offensive line at one time or another. He has never seen offensive line play this wretched.

Giants left tackle Ereck Flowers and Lions left tackle Greg Robinson became the faces of the league’s offensive line problem Monday night.

While many blame it on the college ranks for failing to properly train offensive linemen for the next level, Deese offers a different theory. He cites the reduction in padded practices that came with the NFL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2011.

“I think when you come down to practice, offensive line needs more practice time than a defensive lineman does because there’s so much stuff to learn — so many more variables we have to understand,” Deese said, via The 49ers Insider Podcast with Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area.

“For one defense, sometimes there might be three different ways to block that play. So when you start cutting down practice schedules, and say you only have this amount of time per week, and this amount of time per day, it’s hard to get all of that in. It’s hard to get all the reps you actually need to be successful. When they cut that down, something’s going to suffer, and you see what suffers.”

Teams no longer can hold two-a-day practices in pads at training camp and are permitted only 14 padded practices during the season with a maximum of one per week.

Deese, 47, knows first hand the reasons for the limitations: He has undergone 17 surgeries and needs three more. He said all the rules changes have made the game “a lot safer,” even if the reduction in practice time has made it more difficult for offensive linemen to develop.
 

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Former NFL player blames limited time in pads for the league’s wretched OL play
Posted by Charean Williams on September 19, 2017

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Derrick Deese spent 11 seasons in the NFL, playing every position on the offensive line at one time or another. He has never seen offensive line play this wretched.

Giants left tackle Ereck Flowers and Lions left tackle Greg Robinson became the faces of the league’s offensive line problem Monday night.

While many blame it on the college ranks for failing to properly train offensive linemen for the next level, Deese offers a different theory. He cites the reduction in padded practices that came with the NFL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2011.

“I think when you come down to practice, offensive line needs more practice time than a defensive lineman does because there’s so much stuff to learn — so many more variables we have to understand,” Deese said, via The 49ers Insider Podcast with Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area.

“For one defense, sometimes there might be three different ways to block that play. So when you start cutting down practice schedules, and say you only have this amount of time per week, and this amount of time per day, it’s hard to get all of that in. It’s hard to get all the reps you actually need to be successful. When they cut that down, something’s going to suffer, and you see what suffers.”

Teams no longer can hold two-a-day practices in pads at training camp and are permitted only 14 padded practices during the season with a maximum of one per week.

Deese, 47, knows first hand the reasons for the limitations: He has undergone 17 surgeries and needs three more. He said all the rules changes have made the game “a lot safer,” even if the reduction in practice time has made it more difficult for offensive linemen to develop.
I for one would like to see this^ become a major issue during the next collective bargaining talks between the Unions and the League! They have to start allowing more Padded practice, for the sake of the game!
 
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Viewership is down. Attendance is down. The NFL front office thinks it's because there isn't enough scoring of TD's. They refuse to look at the real reasons. Horrible, sloppy, unprofessional play NFL games are looking like a sandlot pickup games. Couple that with outrageous prices at games, (100 bucks to park at the StubHub) commercial saturation of the same idiotic commercials on TV, and last but probably the biggest reason, the Current CBA limiting how much practice and coaching players get in the off-season.

The NFL and the players union are both blind to how they are ruining the game for themselves. They keep it up and refuse to address these problems they are going to see advertisers and networks refuse to pay the current prices the NFL is demanding.

NFL's popularity is in a downward swing and the NFL front office is worried. Yet they fail to recognize the reasons why. They will make more rule changes favoring the offense, changing the game further and in doing so loose more fans.

Their greed will ruin them.
 

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Please tell me that wasn't Fisher
Yup

He "joked" about it on the Jeff fisher show

Then when all or nothing there was a scene where he he stood with the offense in the end zone saying stuff like "this is the end zone feels good here to be doesn't it "
 

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Viewership is down. Attendance is down. The NFL front office thinks it's because there isn't enough scoring of TD's. They refuse to look at the real reasons. Horrible, sloppy, unprofessional play NFL games are looking like a sandlot pickup games. Couple that with outrageous prices at games, (100 bucks to park at the StubHub) commercial saturation of the same idiotic commercials on TV, and last but probably the biggest reason, the Current CBA limiting how much practice and coaching players get in the off-season.

The NFL and the players union are both blind to how they are ruining the game for themselves. They keep it up and refuse to address these problems they are going to see advertisers and networks refuse to pay the current prices the NFL is demanding.

NFL's popularity is in a downward swing and the NFL front office is worried. Yet they fail to recognize the reasons why. They will make more rule changes favoring the offense, changing the game further and in doing so loose more fans.

Their greed will ruin them.

A Trent Green sighting below.
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How Football Stopped Being Fun
Completion percentage is at an all-time high, but watchability is trending in the other direction. Why has the 2017 NFL season been such a slog?
BY KEVIN CLARK

We are living in the golden age of failed completions, a statistic as grim as it sounds. Tracked by Football Outsiders, failed completions occur when a team doesn’t get 45 percent of the yards it needs on first down, 60 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third or fourth down. The stat goes back to 1989, and last season Joe Flacco set the record with 144. Nothing encapsulates this era of football as well as the failed completion: allegedly a success, but ultimately a bleak disappointment.

In the past five years of the NFL, offenses have reached unprecedented levels of scoring, quarterbacks have become more accurate than ever, turnovers have plummeted—and yet, it’s not fun. If you simply read the statistical markers, it would seem like every offense was as exciting as the pub scene from Inglourious Basterds.

Sacks and interceptions hit all-time lows last year, but that just means that quarterbacks are getting rid of the ball quicker and opting for shorter, safer targets. We have reached one of the most frustrating eras in football history. Everything is fine and it doesn’t look good.

Through two weeks, scoring is down 2.4 points per game from last year, but this isn’t a statistical argument. This is about aesthetics. If a critical mass of fans agrees the game is ugly, then it’s ugly. If a listless 13-9 Bengals-Texans game doesn’t especially disappoint fans because everything looks like a 13-9 Bengals-Texans game, then that’s an issue. The national conversation about the NFL right now is about the game’s decreasing watchability; it doesn’t matter if offenses are hyper-efficient.

“If you show me a team with a great completion percentage, I automatically think, ‘Your offense probably sucks,’” said Chris Simms, a former NFL quarterback and now an analyst at NBC Sports and Bleacher Report.

He said “the NFL has a sickness” in which nearly everyone on the field and on the sideline has become conservative to a fault. There’s been a dramatic rise in completion percentage since 2000—Sam Bradford broke the NFL’s record last season—but yards per catch has gone down over that same span.

How’d we get here?

For starters, rule crackdowns on defense prevented tight defensive coverage and allowed even the most mediocre quarterbacks to complete easy passes—or draw a pass-interference penalty.

“We’ve rewarded too much bad quarterback play,” Simms said.

Marry that with ever-worsening offensive lines that prevent offenses from considering long-developing routes and letting their quarterback hang in to finish a play.

“Offenses are adjusting to quicker-hitting throws and not having the quarterback do seven- or eight-step drops,” said Minnesota Vikings general manager Rick Spielman. “Offensive linemen are tougher to find coming out of college, and taking longer to develop, so offenses are going to more rhythm and quicker passes.”

This is not an isolated opinion about offensive linemen, either. “I’m amazed at how poor the technique is for the young players,” said former Giants offensive lineman Shaun O’Hara, now an analyst at the NFL Network. And so while rule changes have incentivized quarterbacks to get rid of the ball quickly, the offensive line predicament has made it more of a necessity.

Then you have the offensive coordinators, who, Simms said, are doing whatever they can to limit mistakes in order to earn the “quarterback whisperer” label on the back of some decent statistics.

“Everyone looks at the box score and says ‘The offense wasn’t that bad!’ But well, they sucked,” Simms said. “Quarterbacks and coaches are now very wary of mistakes. We crucify all the quarterbacks when they make a mistake and then, when it’s third-and-12, they say ‘I’m going to live to play another day’ and throw it short.”

Offenses like the New England Patriots, Green Bay Packers, or even the New Orleans Saints can still be beautiful to watch, but a growing number of offenses are not.

Ratings dipped again on Sunday. Sunday Night Football’s Packers-Falcons game was down 8 percent from last season and 23 percent from 2015. The curious thing about these dips is that the number of people viewing games is not down, but the amount of time they’re watching for is.

Unless “only watching part of a game” is a new form of political boycott, that reasoning for the ratings drop doesn’t hold much water. (Yes, we have a year’s worth of data noting that people say they are tuning out because of boycotts. But we have roughly 200,000 years of data suggesting that what people say and what they do are often two entirely different things.)

The product is diluted, and fans are tuning in and then tuning out. If that doesn’t scare the league, then nothing will.

When I came into the league,” said Trent Green, former NFL quarterback and current analyst for the NFL on CBS, “you had a good season if you threw for 3,500 yards and completed 55 or 60 percent of your passes. You’d chuck the ball down the field as far as you could, and if you couldn’t you’d check down. Now guys are hitting 67 percent and if you don’t have a 4,000-yard season or sometimes 5,000, you didn’t have a good season.”

Green was drafted in 1993 and played until 2008. In that time, he saw the game change dramatically.

By the time they reach the pros, modern quarterbacks have thrown more times than any group of quarterbacks in history. Among high schoolers, seven-on-seven flag football leagues have exploded this century. This type of football involves lots of quick passes and one-on-one coverage.

It used to be that just kids in warm-weather states like Florida, Texas, and Southern California could play this game all year long, but now teenagers from all across the country travel to play in seven-on-seven tournaments. “There is going to be better completion percentage because there’s more reps,” said Green, whose son TJ plays at Northwestern.

Green also said that aiming for statistics has a long history in football. In the 1980s and 1990s, he said, quarterback rating became the en vogue way of measuring passing. Sacks were better than incompletions “and there were guys we knew wouldn’t throw the ball away. The offensive line coaches would be going nuts.”

Today, completion percentage and a low interception number have become the envy of young quarterbacks. “Until you get to a certain point of your career—stability within your team, stability with your contract—quarterbacks are thinking about rating, completion percentage, or points scored,” Green said. Less-established quarterbacks are more likely to go for “the bubble screen or underneath stuff.”

“The great quarterbacks—[Aaron] Rodgers, [Tom] Brady, Big Ben [Roethlisberger]—they are looking for the daggers, the 25-yard throws,” Simms said. He thinks most coaches want to default to less adventurous plays—and that any excitement you do see is when the individual talent of some of the quarterbacks wins out. “Look at Aaron Rodgers, throwing a 40-yard missile after a backflip, into a keyhole.”

“One of the biggest problems is the conservative play-callers,” Simms said. “When I played, we’d think of something and they’d say, ‘I’ve never been taught that, you’d have to show that play on film.’ And of course there’s no way to do that. So if that’s the case, we’ll never have a new play ever. There’s the problem.”

Modern offenses run the risk of becoming so predictable that they give up their advantage over the defense. Scoring has skyrocketed in the modern era. Matchup-nightmare tight ends like Rob Gronkowski and the rise of flexible players, along with the favorable rule changes, routinely rocked opposing defenses. But more and more short passes? Yeah, defenses can handle those.

According to Spielman, the Vikings general manager, the way to build a defense in the modern era is changing. Since quarterbacks are getting rid of the ball quicker, defenses have to be faster.

“You need first-step quickness—an Aaron Donald—extremely quick off the snap,” Spielman said. The Vikings have a defensive line filled with, as he put it, “almost outside linebacker types” who are tall enough to bat passes down and light enough to move well. “We liked guys who are 6-6, 6-5, 6-4 and all in the 250s [pounds].”

If all 32 quarterbacks will get rid of the ball quicker, playing defense will likely become more about pushing the pocket and trying to bat down the ball rather than getting to the quarterback. Edge rushers could start to lose value, while inside rushers see their importance rise.

Meanwhile, the lack of competent offensive line play will be a boon for defenses. That, in turn, will muck up the game even more.

Offensive linemen, Spielman said, are almost exclusively pass protectors in college now and are rarely in three-point stances, which are a requirement in the NFL. Of course, it’s not easy for teams to coach up these young athletes, as the collective bargaining agreement caps the number of padded practices at 14 during the regular season.

“You have to come up with creative ways within the collective bargaining agreement to give them the attention they need,” he said. “Keep them out there an extra 15, 20 minutes, or give them an extra period.”

Spielman wishes that teams could extend the “rookie development program”—which starts in May and can last most of the offseason thereafter—throughout the season.

“It takes time to develop those guys. The restrictions in the CBA put you behind the eight ball,” he said.

The lack of reps directly results in sloppy play, many coaches say. Matt Nagy, the Kansas City Chiefs’ offensive coordinator, said that he wishes all players could get more reps, particularly quarterbacks. That would likely have to come via another league, but there is no major American secondary league at the moment—no XFL, USFL, strong Arena League, or NFL Europe.

“I was able to play the game in the Arena League, I wouldn’t have gotten those reps on an NFL roster,” Nagy said. “Whether it’s the world league, XFL, that’s advantageous to the quarterback. Not just mental reps. Physical reps.”

Do sports have to be beautiful? That depends on who you ask. In soccer there’s a phrase called “anti-football” that gets thrown around quite a bit as an insult for teams that play too defensive or play too many long balls up the field. The game’s most popular figures reject the notion that ugly play is good play. In American sports, we haven’t put the same emphasis on aesthetics. Doug Baldwin called his Seahawks’ 12-9 win over the 49ers on Sunday “ugly as hell” and he meant it as a good thing.

Green thinks that the growing number of offenses that can only take up small chunks of yardage at a time will result in some teams going back to simple, ground-and-pound offenses. That certainly wouldn’t make the game any easier to watch.

Yet, football is not going to end anytime soon, and those declaring the end of it have a long history of looking wrong. Esquire magazine asked if football still mattered in 1997. This isn’t even the NFL’s biggest problem—head injuries are—but it’s a problem nonetheless.

In 2013, youth aged 12 to 24 named Lionel Messi as the fourth-most popular athlete in America. Today, anyone can access any play from any sport anywhere in the world on a phone, and football does not, at the moment, look as fun as Messi scoring a goal.

The NFL isn’t dying: 46 million people watched last year’s NFC title game and well over 100 million watch the Super Bowl. But whether or not they’re beautiful, sports are supposed to be fun. Two weeks into the football season, not many people are having a good time.
 

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He "joked" about it on the Jeff fisher show

Then when all or nothing there was a scene where he he stood with the offense in the end zone saying stuff like "this is the end zone feels good here to be doesn't it "
Lol he really thought he was the coach in some football movie
 

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But whether or not they’re beautiful, sports are supposed to be fun. Two weeks into the football season, not many people are having a good time.

This is the one statement that caught my attention.

FUN. Everyone NOT on the football field has sucked all the fun of watching the game.

-Finding the next draft bust over the next draft star

-Seeing which coach is on the "hot seat" rather than giving respect to the underappreciated coaches (Jim Caldwell, Dirk Koetter, Mike Mularkey, etc).

-Criticizing EVERY minute thing a team does, like signing or cutting a 2nd or 3rd string player.

-Freaking out when an offensive player turns the ball over. It's like the world is ending!

-Media focusing on lawsuits

-Hell, saying something positive is instantly shut down by the criticism police by being called a "homer".

All this on a Sunday, the one day where the majority of folks shut off completely from the real world...

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NFL teams are struggling to find the end zone
didn't destroy NFL ratings .... Spoiled millionaire athletes, political correctness and the liberal media.Time for the -NFL-players- to take a pass on politics.. And it needs to stop, before liberal activists wreck the game and destroy something people enjoy.