That clock stoppage at the end...

[Selassie I]

Well, I still do not agree with that analysis. It can be judged in this case. The receiver has got up, is sitting up, and making time-out calls with his hands, and all that is STILL with 1 second showing on the clock. He clearly gave himself up. Sight only takes 1/10 of 1 second to travel to your brain, so there was enough time to judge and make the call.

The point is... the first thing that has to happen is the actual catch needs to be confirmed. That ref could not do that because the receiver's back was to him... so unless he has x-ray vision, he could not call the ball dead yet. Those things are spelled out in order in the NFL Rulebook pages I posted. There is a very specific order of things that has to happen BEFORE a player can be declared as given-up, and when the ball can be whistled dead, and then when the time out can be called. All of those things cannot happen together at the speed of light even if the ref could see if the catch was actually made. And like I said, he 100% could not see the ball, so he could not have made the call of the catch being successful. That has to be the first thing that happens BEFORE the ref could start the process of considering if the player had in fact made it clear that he had given himself up on the play without being touched (that process if done correctly simply CANNOT be performed in 2 seconds... it takes longer than that just so the defender and refs can declare him as given up). THEN, only after the ball is called out of play, the player is allowed to call a legal timeout and have that timeout awarded. It is 100% impossible for all of those things to happen simultaneously... they have to take place in order, and each step of the process requires more time than was even left on the clock.

I don't give a shit if you agree with it or not... I didn't write the NFL rules. Those were written by real football experts. They wrote those rules the way they did intentionally so that there wouldn't be a Grey area of what can be called and when.

All of those steps required way more time individually to call the what was.

 

[Selassie I]

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You can see the ref already waiving his arms
They were clearly alerted that they were calling timeout immediately (which is totally by the rules and done all the time)

Well... the rules that I posted state otherwise. You cannot call a timeout ahead of time. Sure you can alert the ref that you are going to do it... that way the ref cannot say that he didn't notice you calling the timeout right away... but no timeout can be called until the ball is actually called dead first... then you can call the timeout and be legally granted it. That is the actual rule. All of that simply cannot happen simultaneously... the steps must be followed in order and that means some time must come off the clock while the steps are being completed in order.

 

[SWAdude]

The point is... the first thing that has to happen is the actual catch needs to be confirmed. That ref could not do that because the receiver's back was to him... so unless he has x-ray vision, he could not call the ball dead yet. Those things are spelled out in order in the NFL Rulebook pages I posted. There is a very specific order of things that has to happen BEFORE a player can be declared as given-up, and when the ball can be whistled dead, and then when the time out can be called. All of those things cannot happen together at the speed of light even if the ref could see if the catch was actually made. And like I said, he 100% could not see the ball, so he could not have made the call of the catch being successful. That has to be the first thing that happens BEFORE the ref could start the process of considering if the player had in fact made it clear that he had given himself up on the play without being touched (that process if done correctly simply CANNOT be performed in 2 seconds... it takes longer than that just so the defender and refs can declare him as given up). THEN, only after the ball is called out of play, the player is allowed to call a legal timeout and have that timeout awarded. It is 100% impossible for all of those things to happen simultaneously... they have to take place in order, and each step of the process requires more time than was even left on the clock.

I don't give a shit if you agree with it or not... I didn't write the NFL rules. Those were written by real football experts. They wrote those rules the way they did intentionally so that there wouldn't be a Grey area of what can be called and when.

All of those steps required way more time individually to call the what was.

^^^^This^^^^

I watched the All-22 and having a clear view of the play from the stands there is no way the ref who called the time out had a clear view of the play. Another ref who had a much better view of the play did nothing but run towards the player. The ref who called the timeout was right next to the Seachikins bench and coaches. The play must be completed before the timeout can be called. That clearly did not happen.

The clock at the very least should have gone to zero until review. It stopped at 1. Three or four things can't happen all at once with this play. And for the clock operator to be that quick to me is unreasonable. The clock stoppage at 1 is very telling to me. And the entire Ram nation I was around at the game.

 

[Snaz]

Before the play, I'm sure the receivers and the refs were all aware of the clock, and the need to call a timeout.
So therefore the after the catch, the give himself up is assumed, so it is a moot point.
If he got up then I'd have an issue with it. He didn't, play was dead at that moment. Even if the ref couldn't see the catch, the moment he caught it and was down, play was over.

 

[dieterbrock]

Well... the rules that I posted state otherwise. You cannot call a timeout ahead of time. Sure you can alert the ref that you are going to do it... that way the ref cannot say that he didn't notice you calling the timeout right away... but no timeout can be called until the ball is actually called dead first... then you can call the timeout and be legally granted it. That is the actual rule. All of that simply cannot happen simultaneously... the steps must be followed in order and that means some time must come off the clock while the steps are being completed in order.

Once his knee hit the ground they called the timeout from the sidelines. He caught it at 2 sec. The coach was right next to the ref.
I watched it frame by frame and it was fine.
The refs aren’t even looking at the clock at that moment they watch the play and blew the whistle when time out was called.
What was bullshit was the PI on the play before it.

 

[SWAdude]

Once his knee hit the ground they called the timeout from the sidelines. He caught it at 2 sec. The coach was right next to the ref.
I watched it frame by frame and it was fine.
The refs aren’t even looking at the clock at that moment they watch the play and blew the whistle when time out was called.
What was bullshit was the PI on the play before it.

I don't think the clock thing is BS just suspect. There is no way the ref that called that timeout had a clear view that the receiver even controlled the ball. And if the HC called a timeout anyways he would have lost that and the game 100%. It was an officiating blunder at best,.

And by rule, that PI technically was right. The play before there was a much more apparent PI between those two players and the receiver got in the refs face. Then the next play it was called.