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Do you think it's McVay who has his thumbprint on the defense? I just looked up Shula's resume - he had only been a DC for one year and that was at John Carroll in 2014. If I remember correctly, when we were looking for a DC, Vic Fangio was still available. I think we need to find a DC who has had experience and success at that. Shula's defense looks just like Raheem's - bend but don't break. We blitzed one time last night and got home with it. I get it if your corners can't cover but why not at least take that chance and see if you can get to Darnold instead of trying to cover unsuccessfully? I just didn't see any adjustments by Shula and think he's in over his head. True, we have the lowest paid defense in the league. If I'm Stafford, I go to McVay today and say, "I'll come back but you have to fix that defense and special teams. I'm not going through another year of this shit."
Is it confirmed we only had one blitz (correction: Kinchens with the laser point missile shot to Darnold)?
 
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Yes we have. But corner unfortunately has never been something we've had in high quality. Ramsey for a year or two before his speed started to fade, but he was hit and miss on an island with the grabbing and shit.

What happens if they hit on a CB1, and maybe end up with a couple guys who can handle a lot of matchups without help. I say the capability will drive philosophy change. But we'll see.
Which leads us right back to where we started these conversations last night and every year for the last what 9 years?
 
Just a couple thoughts.

The edge guys in coverage isn't a Shula thing, it wasnt a Morris Staley or Phillips thing. It's a defense thing. We've seen Garret, TJ Watt, Vin Miller and Max Crosby did it. And while his Int vs us wasnt in coverage some of Aiden Hutchinsons 5 career ints weren't rushing the passer.

Landman wears the green dot unless he's hurt he'll be out there. Imo we need to upgrade Speights. But if we had some better CB maybe we can get some safeties covering them.

Lastly I agree we suffer from not having the goat AD and not having Ramsey. Do you recall us ever getting a coverage sack this year.

In regards to the edge players in coverage. Yes, I know all defenses run that scheme from time to time. But on 3rd and 9? Don't you want your best players in coverage and your best rushing the passer? Not dropping back into coverage? Again, the call doesn't make sense.

Landman has the dot, but if memory serves me correctly so does Lake. More than one guy can have coms in their helmets at any given time. Doesn't mean Landman can't come off the field.

You're right, I don't remember many if any coverage sacks this year. I'm sure there were one or two but yes, the coverage wasn't great. But again, if all you call is cover 3/4 defenses are going to hone in on that, and it doesn't really matter who you have covering, they're are holes in all Zone coverages.
 
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In regards to the edge players in coverage. Yes, I know all defenses run that scheme from time to time. But on 3rd and 9? Don't you want your best players in coverage and your best rushing the passer? Not dropping back into coverage? Again, the call doesn't make sense.

Landman has the dot, but if memory serves me correctly so does Lake. More than one guy can have coms in their helmets at any given time. Doesn't mean Landman can't come off the field.

You're right, I don't remember many if any coverage sacks this year. I'm sure there were one or two but yes, the coverage wasn't great. But again, if all you call is cover 3/4 defenses are going to hone in on that, and it doesn't really matter who you have covering, they're are holes in all Zone coverages.
Obviously Young fell off when it came to the 2nd half of the season, resulting in less pressure on the QB. However, I wonder what changed in regards to watching guys in the secondary jumping routes and forcing turnovers in the first two Seahawk games, vs what we saw yesterday? Especially that first meeting.

Was that all on Darnold? Or did the Seahawks change their scheme/routes to get guys open against our zone scheme? Or was it just giving him more time to throw so he didn't force the ball?
 
Ok troll.
I don't have a dog in this fight and should probably mind my business.

I have no idea if this poster is a troll or not.

But, I ran into some Rams fans recently and told them about this message board and I'd hate for them to get the same type of reception for having a negative opinion.
 
So, it's a Snead/McVay issue rather than a Shula issue, for letting it be this way.
I think Snead and McVay have a way they want to build the roster and a way they want the team to play. If you want to play softer coverages and try to not give up the big plays then maybe in their minds they don't need to draft CB high or pay them? I don't pretend to know their minds what I do know is that 99.99% of the people here complain about the lack of talent in our secondary. You want a great defense you have to have players at every level excel. Take that 1st round CB Witherspoon and 2nd round safety Emmanwori off Seattles defense last night do you think they're as good as they were? I sure don't.
 
I don't have a dog in this fight and should probably mind my business.

I have no idea if this poster is a troll or not.

But, I ran into some Rams fans recently and told them about this message board and I'd hate for them to get the same type of reception for having a negative opinion.
Well if those fans come in and converse about the actual team they would have no problems here. Whereas if they feel the need to enlighten all of us regular posters about how flawed everything is here maybe they'll get some pushback. Deservedly so.
 
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Well if those fans come in and converse about the actual team they would have no problems here. Whereas if they feel the need to enlighten all of us regular posters about how flawed everything is here maybe they'll get some pushback. Deservedly so.
To each his own but new poster or not methinks you overreacted perhaps because I agree with him/her.
 
To each his own but new poster or not methinks you overreacted perhaps because I agree with him/her.
Contrary to popular opinion I am not perfect. There is after all certain shit that triggers me, also I don't mind the disagreement.
 
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I think Shula can get his defense where it needs to be if the Rams utilize the appropriate draft capital or make moves in free agency to get a couple of corners that can run and play man coverage. A safety with some speed would help this defense along with another linebacker that can run. The current rams defense is simply not quick enough sideline to sideline. Deshaun Johnson showed flashes at edge and in the joker role that Hoecht used to play. We need to pick up the overall team speed on defense and on special teams. Rams need to become more athletic.

On offense we need a third receiver to step up. It was a lot to ask our 7th round pick to be that guy and it showed. They refused to even dress TuTu which simply doesn’t make sense. You would think someone that fast could be helpful on special teams and if that wasn’t the case why resign him? Parkinson’s had a great year statistically but his multiple drops hurt the Rams. With Higbee’s retirement I’m hoping Ferguson becomes the key TE in this passing offense and Parkinson’s contribution is focused more on blocking which he does well.

Great season but this team showed it has flaws down the stretch. I’d love to see a roster turnover with an infusion of talent at CB, Safety, linebacker, edge on defense ( can’t have enough pass rushers) and IOL, WR, C and TE on offense.

Let’s spend some money on Special teams. Bring in a BONAFIDE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH. PAY THE MAN TO FIX THIS MESS. Keep Mevis and Evan’s. Bring in competition for both of them but Rams need a PUNT RETURN AND KICKOFF RETURN SPECIALIST. No more rereads like RIVERS AND REEDER ON THE ROSTER. GET YOUNGER AND FASTER. Spend some money and draft capital on special teams.

Rams have ample cap space and draft capital over the next few seasons. Let’s push our chips in and take our shot now.
 
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This is how the Rams chose to allocate their resources under the cap. The defensive line was supposed to protect the secondary, that’s how it was designed to work. But lately they haven’t been getting it done. It almost worked, they put together the best offense in the league. They were lacking in talent, and they needed to make up the difference in execution. But that’s where the mistakes happened, you can get by with less talent if everyone is in the right place at the right time which didn’t happen.
But you can’t help but wonder if they could’ve found some better players for the $10 million they paid Tutu to not play.
That Tutu shit kills me. What a fucking waste of cap space there. I don't blame Tutu, but the plan to use him went to shit like every year he's been with us. Would have thought by now, they'd cut their losses.
 
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This is a lazy ass statement.

The only reason why our defense is one of the cheapest is because most of defense is on rookie contracts, or we got them off waivers. And I wouldn't call our defense a bunch of nobodies. We have Verse, Young, Fiske, Turner, Curl, and Kitchens who were all talked about last season as one of the best up and coming defenses in the NFL.

The real kicker is how our Dline didnt' take the next step this year, if anything they got worse not better. Not sure if it's a talent issue or coaching. I guess we'll find out.
 
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It’s not the scheme or coach. It’s the players. The Rams secondary and iMLBs are one of the weakest in the NFL talent wise. It’s amazing the defense played as well as they did the whole season. It’s should have been constant 38-41 games. But defense won (or let us in) games throughout the year.

Add more talent in secondary and iMLB - and we’ll see the results. Just like how added Poona helped the run defense so much (& Landman a bit too)
100 percent agree. Davante Adams is another example. Adding an x receiver to the mix caused our offense to take off like a rocket. And the red zone was just Adams being a dog. Sometimes it's about the players and not the scheme. There's no scheme in the world saving you when your #1 corner is a guy cut from his last team while still on his rookie deal.
 
This is a lazy ass statement.

The only reason why our defense is one of the cheapest is because most of defense is on rookie contracts, or we got them off waivers. And I wouldn't call our defense a bunch of nobodies. We have Verse, Young, Fiske, Turner, Curl, and Kitchens who were all talked about last season as one of the best up and coming defenses in the NFL.

The real kicker is how our Dline didnt' take the next step this year, if anything they got worse not better. Not sure if it's a talent issue or coaching. I guess we'll find out.
Respectfully, I don't think it's that lazy of a statement. Calling them nobodies is lazy, so I can agree there. But All the guys you named are good pieces, while none of them are straight up game wreckers. The defensive line doesn't have a Parsons/Crosby/Will Anderson and the secondary doesn't have an Emmanuari/Witherspoon/AJ Terrell type. We need defacto alphas at both positions. Or at least two at one position so the other can thrive.
 
In regards to the edge players in coverage. Yes, I know all defenses run that scheme from time to time. But on 3rd and 9? Don't you want your best players in coverage and your best rushing the passer? Not dropping back into coverage? Again, the call doesn't make sense.

Landman has the dot, but if memory serves me correctly so does Lake. More than one guy can have coms in their helmets at any given time. Doesn't mean Landman can't come off the field.

You're right, I don't remember many if any coverage sacks this year. I'm sure there were one or two but yes, the coverage wasn't great. But again, if all you call is cover 3/4 defenses are going to hone in on that, and it doesn't really matter who you have covering, they're are holes in all Zone coverages.
Hence why I'd like to see more variance such as actual man coverage. Give our pass rush a chance to sack the QB. However, I also understand we need the "horses" to actually pull that off consistently.
 
Shula's running the defense that McVay prefers, the "soft zone bullshit" we all hate. If our defense is expected to take a leap sometime soon, there needs to be some investment made on that side of the ball and let the defensive coordinator open it up. I don't know if Shula's the guy to reinvent this defense but I'd be willing to give him the opportunity. But none of it matters if we keep doing the same thing over and over again.
 
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It's on all of them - players, coaches and front office. We expected certain young players to improve, and the improvement was minimal or absent. Players missed tackles, game plans didn't always work. I don't think you can say the blame was mostly xy or z, because it was a combination of many different factors.

I don't think it was all Shula's fault - but the defense regressed down the stretch, and he has to wear part of that, just as McVay has to wear it and the players have to wear it, and position coaches. The front office as well, because invested, gambled, on the rise of a young defense, and it stopped rising.