Roughing the passer.

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Yeah that was ridiculous. I get Brady, all though not agree, that it was a penalty because they touched his helmet. Will always be a penalty. But wtf happened on that Luck sack? at least two of the three landed with their weight on him. They both had helmet to helmet hits on Luck. Really weird non-call with as flag happy they been.


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It was just as bad a decade ago. The ravens were playing the cheats the year after Brady was injured for the season. Once the raven defender glanced Brady's helmet with his pinky finger. Barely touched him. Flag. The other time the raven defender dove at Brady's legs and missed him. Flag. Didn't even thouch him.

Both of them happened on 3rd down and the pass wasn't completed. So the cheats got two different drives extended by these flags. Ray Lewis spat the dummy after the game when interviewed by the press.

Brady has always got these type of calls. The refs dream about him being their son in law and flag any defender that touches him.

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Psycho_X said:
Yeah that was ridiculous. I get Brady, all though not agree, that it was a penalty because they touched his helmet. Will always be a penalty. But wtf happened on that Luck sack? at least two of the three landed with their weight on him. They both had helmet to helmet hits on Luck. Really weird non-call with as flag happy they been.


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That just doesn't make sense... I mean - they BOTH have the #12 in their jersey...
 
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OldSchool said:
The NFL just blew up the arguments for this increased scrutiny on defensive players by calling this.


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Sorry the NFL has lost any credibility by calling that roughing the passer. Don't even try to justify it.
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-X- said:
Wow.

They should just call that encroaching upon the QB's personal space.
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Mackeyser said:
I don’t agree with it but he lowered his head and made helmet to helmet contact.

Much as the NFL doesn’t want to parse hits like the Matthews hits, they couldn’t have been more clear how seriously they are taking this.

Lower your head? Get the flag, no is ands or buts.
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Akrasian said:
Well, it moved a little - at least his whole head slanted over immediately afterward. A ticky tack foul perhaps, but by the rules a foul nevertheless. And had to be called at full speed, not slomo replay. It would create other issues, but perhaps all personal fouls should be reviewed from headquarters by satellite. But I'm sure if officials don't call something like that on the field, they have the riot act read to them in their reviews.
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Any helmet to helmet hit involving lowering the head and using the crown draws a flag and it's been that way for years. That's that, no discussion required.

I'm no fan of the refs, and the lockout should have been seen through if Goodell had any sense, but he caved. Now we have some subpar refs.

Refs make mistakes and IMO that is a no call but I think it's possible thathe had an angle that made it look like it was a violation. It' looked like he hit the shoulder more than anything.

Ken said:
It was a foul by the current rules. I don't have a problem with the call, but the rules (and the 'points' they are emphasizing) could use some adjustments.
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For sure they need to make a few changes.
 
LesBaker said:
Any helmet to helmet hit involving lowering the head and using the crown draws a flag and it's been that way for years. That's that, no discussion required.
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Except they call it sometimes and don't call it sometimes. Except they call that when there wasn't any contact as well. They're inconsistent at enforcing horrible rules. What you quoted me posting had no helmet to helmet contact slow it down however much you want. It was clean. And yet stuff that was obvious roughing by the rules you're standing up for like Luck last night wasn't called. It's a farce no discussion is required about that fact.
 
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-X- said:
Kinda defeats the whole purpose of this venue, but okay.
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Not at all.

If a player leads with his helmet and uses the crown to hit another player in the face or helmet its a flag.

That has been around since Romanowski hit Collins years ago.

No different than horse collar tackles.

It's a penalty and there isn't a way to discuss that other than something about changing the rules.
 
LesBaker said:
Not at all.

If a player leads with his helmet and uses the crown to hit another player in the face or helmet its a flag.

That has been around since Romanowski hit Collins years ago.

No different than horse collar tackles.

It's a penalty and there isn't a way to discuss that other than something about changing the rules.
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Well, two things about that.

1. The refs are also able to (and often do) use judgement on some of these hits and subsequent calls. The penalty in question - the hit against Baker - is the one I found incredulous. The tackler used good form, lowered his head in order to wrap up, and *barely* grazed Baker's face-mask in the process. We have ALL seen worse hits not called - including as recently as yesterday - and cleaner hits with perfect form ... called RTP by the refs. So yeah, there is room for discussion on this if the refs are going to continue to be inconsistent in their rulings.

2. The Tweet in question was posed by Rich Eisen who explicitly asked for "thoughts" on the call. So I gave mine.
 
-X- said:
Well, two things about that.

1. The refs are also able to (and often do) use judgement on some of these hits and subsequent calls. The penalty in question - the hit against Baker - is the one I found incredulous. The tackler used good form, lowered his head in order to wrap up, and *barely* grazed Baker's face-mask in the process. We have ALL seen worse hits not called - including as recently as yesterday - and cleaner hits with perfect form ... called RTP by the refs. So yeah, there is room for discussion on this if the refs are going to continue to be inconsistent in their rulings.

2. The Tweet in question was posed by Rich Eisen who explicitly asked for "thoughts" on the call. So I gave mine.
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Like I said it was probably the angle that made the ref throw the flag, if another ref was posted back thee he may have been able to say no go. Again, it was a missed call. So it doesn't, IMO, fall under a consistency thing other than refs miss calls consistently and particularly in the backfield where half or more of the players are and there is only one guy watching.

The tackler lowering his head is where he got himself into a pickle. He put the crown of his helmet into play. Had he not done that a flag doesn't get thrown.

Missed call, but it happens a lot. It doesn't have anything to do with the rule really, it has to do with the ref having a bad angle IMO. This wasn't a judgement call it was a missed call.
 
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