Robinson on 4th & goal

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there is no way in hell that play is designed to go middle. Both Saffold and GR are cut blocking to the middle. there has been numerous examples of Gurley missing holes this season so maybe the line has lost confidence in Gurley.

The play wasn't designed to go to the middle. It was designed to go left. Gurley ran up the middle because the play was blown up and he decided to take the most direct route to the end-zone rather than running E-W.

But Saffold and Greg aren't cut-blocking. Watch Tim Barnes. That's what Saffold and Greg are trying to do.
 

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Looks like Gurley missed the hole. Why pull an offside guard, and then try to run to the hole he vacated. Roger simply dropped to his knees and gave up his feet after the initial block. I don't know what they were trying to do, but the the left side was somewhat sealed.
 

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The play wasn't designed to go to the middle. It was designed to go left. Gurley ran up the middle because the play was blown up and he decided to take the most direct route to the end-zone rather than running E-W.

But Saffold and Greg aren't cut-blocking. Watch Tim Barnes. That's what Saffold and Greg are trying to do.

I stand corrected you are right. I still think Gurley could have gone left when he got the handoff. to me he just isn't seeing the field this year for some reason
 

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What the hell are Robinson and Saffold doing? Jesus. It's just freaking sad. I thought they'd have to reach for their guys. That was straight-ahead. How do you blow that?
You think that's something?
Follow Jamon Brown on the play and watch how he finishes it. lol.
 

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Looks like Gurley missed the hole. Why pull an offside guard, and then try to run to the hole he vacated. Roger simply dropped to his knees and gave up his feet after the initial block. I don't know what they were trying to do, but the the left side was somewhat sealed.
Yeah, and it looks like Gurley had more than one option there.
He could have shadowed Brown it seems.
And the whole play would have been better out of shotgun, IMO.
 

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I stand corrected you are right. I still think Gurley could have gone left when he got the handoff. to me he just isn't seeing the field this year for some reason

Watch Harkey's guy. You've got two guys coming inside and Harkey's guy coming around the edge. Gurley is just trying to get downhill there. The play is thoroughly boned. If Gurley goes left, Harkey's guy prevents him from bouncing it and the DT drags him down in the back-field. It appears to me that he thought his best chance of powering through was to go straight up the middle. I can't say that's the wrong decision.

I still don't understand the play-call. If you're going to run it, sneak it with Keenum or pound it in with Gurley. Don't try to pull a guard and run off-tackle on 4th and inches at the goal-line.
 

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Run blocking is supposed to be Grobs specialty. Fisher had commented the crowd noise played a factor and it must have pissed him off they delayed the game to review the prior play to allow Detroit to get reset. Why didnt the pulling guard just clean up the mess? Why couldnt they just "man up" rather than pull and allow TGIII to go over the pile? I wanted them to try the Case roll out again with a dragging TE.
 

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The pulling guard blew this play up by not taking g robs man.. I don't see how anybody in his right mind can blame Gurley with having 1-3 defenders within 2 yards of you when getting the hand off. Come on?!
 

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Watch Harkey's guy. You've got two guys coming inside and Harkey's guy coming around the edge. Gurley is just trying to get downhill there. The play is thoroughly boned. If Gurley goes left, Harkey's guy prevents him from bouncing it and the DT drags him down in the back-field. It appears to me that he thought his best chance of powering through was to go straight up the middle. I can't say that's the wrong decision.

I still don't understand the play-call. If you're going to run it, sneak it with Keenum or pound it in with Gurley. Don't try to pull a guard and run off-tackle on 4th and inches at the goal-line.
Kind of what I was saying. Just fucking wedge block, and stuff it down their throat. I hate this cute, pulling shit on the goal line. IMO. bad play call. bad execution.
 

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How is Gurley supposed to go left? He's got immediate penetration up the middle and a guy containing the edge where Harkey is. If he bounces outside, he's tackled for a loss. He tried to power up the middle because it was the shortest distance between him and the end-zone. There's nothing the HB can do there. He's screwed.

I dont see Gurley look left or make any attempt to go left at all.....dont see him flinch to the left or take 1 step left. If this play was to go left, it was going left without Keenum and Gurley

Keenum comes off center turning right .....and hands the ball off up the gut.....looks to me that Keenum and Gurley were going off center all the way.....while the rest of the team was blocking off tackle. Everyone but Harkey is trying to seal off to the inside.....wtf ....this play is a soupsandwich from the snap
 

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I didn't make the title though. I copied it from another board.
I can see how it would be taken that way, but it was only an accounting of what Robinson did on the play.

Fair enough. But accounting for what all 5 starters did on the play, it looks pretty bad for 4 of them.

My point being he didn't even try to punch with his hands. Even if he wanted to push his guy to the right he should have used his hands rather than try with a forearm. The defender slanted to G-Rob's right and if he would have punched with his hands I guarantee he would have slowed him from getting that quick of penetration. It was poor technique plain and simple. These guys are taught to use their hands and he didn't.

It's true, but Saffold did essentially the same thing. Both of these guys have been good run blockers in the past, and both of them looked like dog shinola on this play. Is part of that the blocking scheme? Part of it just basic technique that Boudreau is supposed to be coaching into them? Part of it just the playcall?

One thing for sure, the run blocking is worse, and it's not just one guy either. We've seen what Saffold can do before, we've seen him playing at a very high level. And basically he and GRob whiffed in the same way on that play.

Run blocking is supposed to be Grobs specialty. Fisher had commented the crowd noise played a factor and it must have pissed him off they delayed the game to review the prior play to allow Detroit to get reset. Why didnt the pulling guard just clean up the mess? Why couldnt they just "man up" rather than pull and allow TGIII to go over the pile? I wanted them to try the Case roll out again with a dragging TE.

It was, until this year. Even last year, before his late season improvement, his run blocking seemed to be the saving grace of his game. Now he seems to be going backward in that respect. As is Saffold ... and most of the rest of the OL.

Bottom line (pardon the pun), we have a serious coaching issue here. I don't know if it falls more on Boras or Boudreau, or equally on both, but somebody in the offensive staff isn't getting it done.

I think it's safe to say pretty much the entire line gets a fail on this play.

I'll give Barnes a pass. He absolutely buried his guy.

Funny though, there were plenty of people wanting to throw him under the bus most of last year, even as late as the Seattle game where he made two critical fumble recoveries.
 

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How is Gurley supposed to go left? He's got immediate penetration up the middle and a guy containing the edge where Harkey is. If he bounces outside, he's tackled for a loss. He tried to power up the middle because it was the shortest distance between him and the end-zone. There's nothing the HB can do there. He's screwed.

The play wasn't designed to go to the middle. It was designed to go left. Gurley ran up the middle because the play was blown up and he decided to take the most direct route to the end-zone rather than running E-W.

Watch Harkey's guy. You've got two guys coming inside and Harkey's guy coming around the edge. Gurley is just trying to get downhill there. The play is thoroughly boned. If Gurley goes left, Harkey's guy prevents him from bouncing it and the DT drags him down in the back-field. It appears to me that he thought his best chance of powering through was to go straight up the middle. I can't say that's the wrong decision.

I still don't understand the play-call. If you're going to run it, sneak it with Keenum or pound it in with Gurley. Don't try to pull a guard and run off-tackle on 4th and inches at the goal-line.

I agree with @jrry32. Let's say Gurley cuts it left like how the play is design to go (I assume). The cut to take him left after the handoff will take a couple hundredths of a second to make. Harkey still doesn't block the guy to his right and forces Gurley to try and make him miss in the backfield. From there it's a crap shoot. This is all hypothetical, but I think Gurley didn't have any chance at all this play. The edge appears to have been well sealed at the goal-line on the left, but the penetration was far to great to overcome, imo.

I dont see Gurley look left or make any attempt to go left at all.....dont see him flinch to the left or take 1 step left. If this play was to go left, it was going left without Keenum and Gurley

Keenum comes off center turning right .....and hands the ball off up the gut.....looks to me that Keenum and Gurley were going off center all the way.....while the rest of the team was blocking off tackle. Everyone but Harkey is trying to seal off to the inside.....wtf ....this play is a soupsandwich from the snap

Good point @Dog. A run to the left would mean that Keenum and Gurley should have move left too from the snap. One could argue that a great running back "should see the hole and cut left", but I think Gurley was just going North to power into the endzone and I don't blame him. Least distance to travel for the touchdown. Just a damn shame Barnes was the only one who got a push on the play.
 

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I dont see Gurley look left or make any attempt to go left at all.....dont see him flinch to the left or take 1 step left. If this play was to go left, it was going left without Keenum and Gurley

Keenum comes off center turning right .....and hands the ball off up the gut.....looks to me that Keenum and Gurley were going off center all the way.....while the rest of the team was blocking off tackle. Everyone but Harkey is trying to seal off to the inside.....wtf ....this play is a soupsandwich from the snap

Yea, I thought that was odd too. But with Harkey and the blocking scheme, it appears to be designed to go left. Which is very odd. Because Keenum and Gurley both acted like it was designed to go up the middle. I'm 100% with you here.
 

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I dont see Gurley look left or make any attempt to go left at all.....dont see him flinch to the left or take 1 step left. If this play was to go left, it was going left without Keenum and Gurley

Keenum comes off center turning right .....and hands the ball off up the gut.....looks to me that Keenum and Gurley were going off center all the way.....while the rest of the team was blocking off tackle. Everyone but Harkey is trying to seal off to the inside.....wtf ....this play is a soupsandwich from the snap

What's particularly disappointing in that is this play came after a time out.
 

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Keenum turns to his right to fake right I believe but hands off to his left. Stop the tape at .06 and tell me what you see. Gurley is at the 4 and Harvey's guy is at the 4 the pulling guard is at the 2 in 96s path I don't think Harvey's guy can turn that corner without Harkey getting position on him. It was a crappy play call either way I agree but who knows if Gurley goes left to the hole
 

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The mistake completely falls on the play calling. Honestly after the play was stopped for a review, yet it was stopped late enough to see our idea of just giving to Gurley. I think a play action with a tight end sneaking out would have been the best play call.

Our oline wiffed big time, and it's easy to understand why they would with the sound. Detroit reacted off of the movement of Barnes hiking the ball while our players on the outside reacted just a second slower. I am not sure they heard Case.

EDIT: Never mind on the above point. I rewatched in slow motion and they were off the ball first. Not one of them drove with their feet though. They were all reaching and not driving their feet. Easy way to lose balance.

Gurley struggled to hear Case with adjustments early in the game as well.
 

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If you go back and look at Keenums rushing TD, which were similar plays, Saffold and GRob block the same way. They stack up the D line.

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Give credit to the Lions for adjusting the second time around. Both 93 and 96 hesitate for a second before they push forward causing Saffold and Grob to fall forward.

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Boras probably thought the play would have ended similar to the Keenum TD. If it does its an easy TD for Todd. Should have probably called something different to catch them by surprise. The Good OCs are always a step a head of the D. Learning experience for Boras.
 
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Should have been Jake Matthews there. Still dont understand that pick, but I dont think that was Grobs fault completely.
 
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