Pats formation NOW ruled illegal LMAO

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Athos said:
Believe what you like. But where there's smelly smelling smoke, someone likely defecated on your front porch and lit it on fire.

When so much BS benefits the evil empire, my ass there isn't some dick sucking going on in New England that'd make even a 20 year veteran prostitute blush.
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You do know that Goodell and Kraft are NOT buddies despite what people on message boards like to say. It's a frosty relationship at best. Kraft lied to Goodell and I don't think he's been forgiven for it.

It's not a matter of what I believe, it's just what the facts are.
 
Stranger said:
Well, they created the Tuck Rule AFTER they beat the Raiders in the playoffs on their way to a SB "theft" against the Rams.
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So, just to be clear, they didn't create the tuck rule after the Pats beat the Raiders. The Refs created the Tuck Rule AT THE EXACT MOMENT THAT BRADY TUCKED THE BALL. There was no such thing as a Tuck Rule in the books when Brady benefited from it. The only thing that happened after the game was the NFL formalized the rule, as if that in any way justifies what happened in that game. Simply absurd.

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I foresee a time in the future when the refs create the PATS COMPLETE INCOMPLETION rule... "if an incomplete pass bounces three times without being touched by a defender, it may be picked up and advanced by an offensive receiver as if it had been a completed pass."

This rule will come to pass just like the Tuck Rule, something the refs invent on the spot to help the Pats in a critical game.

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Not entirely joking. Kinda pissed.

Seriously, what do the Pats do?? Do they have guys who just sit around all day with the NFL rule book and a fine tooth comb and just dream up ways to stretch the rules beyond where they they can reasonably be stretched and still have plausible deniability?
 
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Selassie I said:
Same thing I was thinking. I'm convinced they spend many hours looking for loopholes like this in order to take advantage of any weakness.
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Sure as hell do. Not only finding loopholes, but also expanding on the way a rule is defined so they can break it ... but not really.
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me if our coaches were that devious. Fisher has his thing with trick plays and all, and that's great, but this is another level of trickery.
 
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LesBaker said:
You do know that Goodell and Kraft are NOT buddies despite what people on message boards like to say. It's a frosty relationship at best. Kraft lied to Goodell and I don't think he's been forgiven for it.

It's not a matter of what I believe, it's just what the facts are.
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lol.

No, seriously.

lol.
 
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-X- said:
Sure as hell do. Not only finding loopholes, but also expanding on the way a rule is defined so they can break it ... but not really.
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me if our coaches were that devious. Fisher has his thing with trick plays and all, and that's great, but this is another level of trickery.
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I think there is a HUGE difference between a "trick play" like the Bailey punt return against the Shecocks and stretching/breaking the rules in some obscure way to cheat your way to a victory. JMO.
 
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NukeRam said:
I think there is a HUGE difference between a "trick play" like the Bailey punt return against the Shecocks and stretching/breaking the rules in some obscure way to cheat your way to a victory. JMO.
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Of course there is. But where they're similar is that they're both legal (for now).
 
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LesBaker said:
You do know that Goodell and Kraft are NOT buddies despite what people on message boards like to say. It's a frosty relationship at best. Kraft lied to Goodell and I don't think he's been forgiven for it.

It's not a matter of what I believe, it's just what the facts are.
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Actually, it was Belichick that lied to Goodell when he was supposed to apologize for Spygate, and instead stone-walled. Made Goodell look foolish.
 
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-X- said:
Sure as hell do. Not only finding loopholes, but also expanding on the way a rule is defined so they can break it ... but not really.
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me if our coaches were that devious. Fisher has his thing with trick plays and all, and that's great, but this is another level of trickery.
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The thing is that as an established expert cheater it is most likely we know of only a tiny portion of the cheating...Just the tip of the crapberg.

The other thing is that there is little likelihood that officials were unaware of their cheating ("gamesmanship" he says smirking) but are in fact complicit. They're red handed caught in the 2 pound deflated ball scheme. We deserve an explanation how that wasn't noticed...won't get one though.

What I hate most is how the game itself is besmirched. The game we love. One terd ruins an entire bowl of punch.
 
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LesBaker said:
Actually it was Manning and then Brady, but a lot of other QB's were good with the idea.

But don't let that get in the way LOL.
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Actually, it was Brady who approached Manning. He found a sympathetic ear from Manning who is very particular. But rest assured it was Brady who initiated the rule and approached Manning.
 
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Meh, whatever. Just trying to make amends to the people that got fired up over it in the first place, which I thought was ridiculous in the first place. It's not cheating until it's illegal, Harbaugh should have spent more time looking for edges himself rather than complaining. Seems like a nonstory made into a story based on reputation and animosity alone.
 
No other sport I know of looks to change the rules as often as the NFL does. Every offseason the refs, coaches and players have to try to figure it all out.

The coaches and players are full time so at least they've got a fighting chance. The refs on the other hand have day jobs to worry about. It's little wonder that the standard of officiating is worse than many of us would like.
 
-X- said:
Sure as hell do. Not only finding loopholes, but also expanding on the way a rule is defined so they can break it ... but not really.
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me if our coaches were that devious. Fisher has his thing with trick plays and all, and that's great, but this is another level of trickery.
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FWIW Shula was a master of this stuff, but even he thinks poorly of Belicek.

Last thing I remember Shula doing had something to do with a free kick if you fair catch.

Anyway I concur and have benefited in a few instances JBK our coaching staff knew the rule book better than the other younger coaches. Two of our three coaches moonlighted refereeing . Not beyond possibility that a special assistant on rules would pay off.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_catch_kick
 
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Ram Quixote said:
Actually, it was Belichick that lied to Goodell when he was supposed to apologize for Spygate, and instead stone-walled. Made Goodell look foolish.
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True yes, but Roger isn't a big fan of Kraft, though he's one of the most important owners so he has to play nice. Assuming the NFL is doing anything to help the Patriots is just silly.
 
If our coaches were that smart, I'd love them for it.

As for "Tuck Rule" lol
It was in place BEFORE the Raider game, in fact the Patriots came up on the other end of the Tuck rule the year before against the Jets which is why they were aware when it happened.
 
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-X- said:
Wasn't illegal when they did it, and now it will be.
Hate those scumbags, but they sure know their way around the rule book.
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This. As much as they bend the rules in their favor, they keep finding innovative ways to do it. Got to tip my hat in some regards, since they have the rings on the books. Notice they usually save these instances for late season / playoff games. It is not technically cheating, but we all get where they were coming from and that doesn't make folks happy.
 
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