Kadarius Toney available via trade

[MachS]

Sure. You could look at it that way. The kid has PROBLEM written all over him. In our offense he'd be a young DJAX. We were 7-1 when DJAX was unhappy. KT..."I don't care if we're winning... I'm not getting the ball enough" . And just like with DJax, screw him.

He might not be a good culture fit that's definitely a possibility. I dont blame him for not wanting to be in NY, they are a shit team now thats had shit coaching. Even with him getting the suspension at Florida he still had a 1st round grade by NFL teams. Its not like he was off draft boards. But if McVay and Snead vet him thoroughly, or have a back channel conversation with him, or talk to Van about him since they're friends...they might get a good idea what type of guy they're getting. His talent cant be denied and is worth kicking the tires on IMO. He'd be a much bigger impact than DJax ever could be in LA. His skill set literally fits us perfectly and he's barely 23 with 4 years left on a rookie deal.

 

[MachS]

You never know. A lot of wrs finally "get it" in their 3rd season.

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Maybe and I hope you're right man. But I think the areas he's weak in aren't areas you really develop. They're natural athlete type stuff. Body control, tracking and attacking the ball in the air, beating man coverage with quickness and separation. To me he's a solid WR3 but if you really need to count on him to fill a bigger role I think he'd underwhelm. His playoff performance cemented this in my mind I think. Maybe I'm being too harsh but I don't think his ceiling is as high as some around here think.

 

[dang]

Would love to bring OBJ back no doubt. But we dont know when he'll be back. For the 1st half or 3/4 of the year we are one injury away from our offense looking like the SB again. Toney cannot be stopped by man coverage, especially in a McVay scheme. It just gives us a dynamic playmaker who is 2 years younger and a better player than Van. IMO we cannot trust Van to make a big impact if Kupp/ARob goes down.

Van certainly didn’t shine in the SB. And we sure could have used someone other than Kupp when OBJ went down.

 

[PARAM]

DeSean came in as a WR4 and was unhappy with the number of overall targets, ... Kupp, Woods & Jefferson were ahead of him. Toney would be our WR3 if Obj is out of the picture & Jefferson was part of the trade. Toney would likely receive as many targets as VJ did last season (89).
jmo.

So, we're going to trade a WR#3 who had 50 receptions and 800 yards last year.......who was available for 17 games AND 4 postseason games..........for a dickhead who's been a problem since college? Why?

 

[Riverumbbq]

So, we're going to trade a WR#3 who had 50 receptions and 800 yards last year.......who was available for 17 games AND 4 postseason games..........for a dickhead who's been a problem since college? Why?

I have no idea if he's a 'dickhead', at 22 years of age he has shown a lack of maturity, but there's no reports of him being a locker room problem, so I give him the benefit of doubt based on his WR skills alone. Van Jefferson's 802 receiving yards last season sounds impressive enough at first glance, but he also had 89 targets & only 50 receptions for a 56.2% catch ratio, ... not all that impressive. VJ is far closer to his ceiling imo than is Kadarious Toney, a genuine 1'st round talent, and he can be had for little CAP for a good 3 years. VJ had Stafford throwing to him, Toney had 3 pretty bad QB's trying to connect with him, yet he still posted a 68.4% catch ratio as a rookie.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If it’s at all possible I’d go for it. Trade them next years second, Van Jefferson, Tutu Atwell, and Harris. Throw in Terrell Lewis for good measure.

Toney would add a great dimension to the Rams offense.

 

[SeminoleRam]

If it’s at all possible I’d go for it. Trade them next years second, Van Jefferson, Tutu Atwell, and Harris. Throw in Terrell Lewis for good measure.

Toney would add a great dimension to the Rams offense.

You guys know a lot more about the Rams players than I do but that sure seems like a very steep/
lopsided/gambling trade to me! Personally, I hope the Rams keep Jefferson and Lewis!!!

 

[Riverumbbq]

If it’s at all possible I’d go for it. Trade them next years second, Van Jefferson, Tutu Atwell, and Harris. Throw in Terrell Lewis for good measure.

Toney would add a great dimension to the Rams offense.

I'd think our 2023 3'rd round pick & Van Jeff should be enough, although being that the 2023 3'rd is going to pretty much amount to a standard 4'th rounder, we could bump that up to a 2'nd to make it happen. jmo.

 

[PARAM]

I have no idea if he's a 'dickhead', at 22 years of age he has shown a lack of maturity, but there's no reports of him being a locker room problem, so I give him the benefit of doubt based on his WR skills alone. Van Jefferson's 802 receiving yards last season sounds impressive enough at first glance, but he also had 89 targets & only 50 receptions for a 56.2% catch ratio, ... not all that impressive. VJ is far closer to his ceiling imo than is Kadarious Toney, a genuine 1'st round talent, and he can be had for little CAP for a good 3 years. VJ had Stafford throwing to him, Toney had 3 pretty bad QB's trying to connect with him, yet he still posted a 68.4% catch ratio as a rookie.

You give him the benefit doubt about his head, based on his receiving skills? I'll go by how his old team is playing it if he is, in fact, on the trading block. Taking a 4th or 5th for a first round pick in his second year means "take this loser off our hands". Jefferson's catch rate was the same as OBJ's (56.2%) and I haven't heard anybody complaining about that. Nor should they. Less money? Yeah, I get that. You get what you pay for though. The 1.2 mil in savings (KT vs VJ) over the next 2 years isn't that much. And let's face it, by the time year 3 rolls around this clown is probably going to be demanding a new deal. He misses too much practice time already with minor dings and is too busy to attend voluntary workouts, probably because of his recording commitments. But it makes for interesting conversation. According to KT, this trade stuff is all BS anyway and according to Giants fans, they'd be lucky to get cents on the dollar by trading him.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

So, we're going to trade a WR#3 who had 50 receptions and 800 yards last year.......who was available for 17 games AND 4 postseason games..........for a dickhead who's been a problem since college? Why?

Cause VJ is probably gone after this year anyways. Rams tend to look ahead. Has VJ been good as a #3? Yes, but this team is constantly pushing the limits to how much it can improve. The post season performance didn't help his case either. Whether it is Toney or a new WR we draft or even one we have on the roster, I think this is VJ's last year with us considering how much the salary expectations have gone up for WRs.

*Just edited.....just saw that VJ has one more year after this so most likely only traded if he disappoints, wants to be paid more, or sees his playing time dwindle if we sign OBJ to a deal that lasts past this year (which is a great possibility if he signs).......as a result he could stick around but that also depends on how VJ views himself after year 3 aka might want and feel like he should get a bigger role.

 

[Pupped]

All I know is that guy is a video game with the ball in his hands. Get him in a real offense and look out.

 

[Riverumbbq]

You give him the benefit doubt about his head, based on his receiving skills? I'll go by how his old team is playing it if he is, in fact, on the trading block. Taking a 4th or 5th for a first round pick in his second year means "take this loser off our hands". Jefferson's catch rate was the same as OBJ's (56.2%) and I haven't heard anybody complaining about that. Nor should they. Less money? Yeah, I get that. You get what you pay for though. The 1.2 mil in savings (KT vs VJ) over the next 2 years isn't that much. And let's face it, by the time year 3 rolls around this clown is probably going to be demanding a new deal. He misses too much practice time already with minor dings and is too busy to attend voluntary workouts, probably because of his recording commitments. But it makes for interesting conversation. According to KT, this trade stuff is all BS anyway and according to Giants fans, they'd be lucky to get cents on the dollar by trading him.

How 'bout these apples ... Obj had 21 receptions out of 26 targets during the 4 play-off games which made us Super Bowl Champs. Also, when he became a Ram he entered about as cold as you can get, not knowing our system at all, ... the play-offs & Super Bowl tell the better story. Van Jeff was 9 for 17 in those same play-offs.
Where did you hear the Giants take a 4'th or 5'th for Toney ? Please provide a link.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

All I know is that guy is a video game with the ball in his hands. Get him in a real offense and look out.

Exactly why I see the draw to him. If this guy can get his shit together injury wise, watch out!

 

[tempests]

This was Toney's first ever practice with the Giants. What an odd story. They pretty much spent the entire time trying to get cleats that fit him.


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[Elmgrovegnome]

You guys know a lot more about the Rams players than I do but that sure seems like a very steep/
lopsided/gambling trade to me! Personally, I hope the Rams keep Jefferson and Lewis!!!

Toney is a first round talent. He replaces Tutu. He jumps ahead of Jefferson on the depth chart. Harris is a big project who is currently behind Skowronek, and doesn’t have good receiver skills.
Lewis is an injured player that cannot be counted on.

Get Toney and the other three become obsolete, especially if OBJ is signed. Jefferson is the only one with proven #3 or 4 talent.

It’s also an indication of what I think about much of the Rams last two drafts.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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I didn't realise there were so many Jeff fishers on this board.

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[PhillyRam]

Yes sir.

If it's possible to get his mind on being a professional football player, he would be a major bargain for any NFL team.

Lots of questions about this talented headcase.

Does he need a therapist?
Does he love rap more than professional football?
Does he love money, and would he actually change his priorities playing for a new NFL team?

Could he be like the nut job the Rams picked up from Detroit yrs ago. I forget his name. He may have played at Boise St, but he was nuts.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Hard read but he could be a bit of a head case, I just don't know. With the Giants' desire to trade him, tweets that we have seen, and the unreliable rumors you have to be diligent at a minimum.
Once we are on the topic of talent though he and VJ aren't comparable, Toney is electrifying. My concerns on the field are durability he has missed time with shoulder, hamstring, quad, ankle, and abdomen injuries.
He will also be on a rookie deal and VJ's is expiring.

 

[MachS]

So, we're going to trade a WR#3 who had 50 receptions and 800 yards last year.......who was available for 17 games AND 4 postseason games..........for a dickhead who's been a problem since college? Why?

Because Toney has way more talent. Its really not that close. All the maturity concerns are valid concerns I agree, but the talent is not. If we could trade Van + a 2023 pick for him I don't think Les hesitates for a second. That is assuming we vet him and think he can fit in our culture. Receiver for receiver its not close just look at their tape and skill sets. I don't get the infatuation with Van. Entering year three he'll be 26 yrs old and hasn't done much in the league. Woods missed half a season and Van didn't step up into a real difference maker. OBJ was much more effective with zero QB chemistry, coming into an entirely new offensive system playing limited snaps. Not to mention how Van shit the bed all playoff run.

Over Van Jeff's last 8 games including the playoffs he averaged= 2.25 catches / 28 yds / 0TDs. This is the guy you're so enthusiastic about keeping? They guy who couldn't give average NFL production down the stretch? The guy that had a terrible playoff run and Super Bowl? I don't get all the love Van gets around here its pretty nuts to me. In our offense with Stafford at QB and McVay calling plays he should've started going nuts once Woods went down if he was a legit player. Not to mention the multiple Stafford turnovers on 50/50 balls throw to him that he didn't win.

 

[PARAM]

Because Toney has way more talent. Its really not that close. All the maturity concerns are valid concerns I agree, but the talent is not. If we could trade Van + a 2023 pick for him I don't think Les hesitates for a second. That is assuming we vet him and think he can fit in our culture. Receiver for receiver its not close just look at their tape and skill sets. I don't get the infatuation with Van. Entering year three he'll be 26 yrs old and hasn't done much in the league. Woods missed half a season and Van didn't step up into a real difference maker. OBJ was much more effective with zero QB chemistry, coming into an entirely new offensive system playing limited snaps. Not to mention how Van shit the bed all playoff run.

Over Van Jeff's last 8 games including the playoffs he averaged= 2.25 catches / 28 yds / 0TDs. This is the guy you're so enthusiastic about keeping? They guy who couldn't give average NFL production down the stretch? The guy that had a terrible playoff run and Super Bowl? I don't get all the love Van gets around here its pretty nuts to me. In our offense with Stafford at QB and McVay calling plays he should've started going nuts once Woods went down if he was a legit player. Not to mention the multiple Stafford turnovers on 50/50 balls throw to him that he didn't win.

Has anybody questioned the talent? It's not the talent, it's the character. There is no "infatuation" with Van. It's a simple question of bird in the hand.

Van's last 8 games? Or more accurately, OBJ's emergence in the offense? We're gonna blame VJ for 2.25 catches on 4 targets per game? OBJ was getting 6 targets per game and was very productive with them. That's something expected of a #2, no? Kupp averaged 10 targets a game, as he should have (if not more) and Higbee averaged 6 targets per game (and he missed the better part of 3 in the last 8). VJ wasn't being utilized a lot in those 8 games (and that's his fault?). He was #2 in targets in the SB because of the injury to OBJ and missing Higbee. Those other 8 games, Kupp, OBJ and Higbee were the most often used targets (61.5% combined). RBs got 14.3%. And then VJ (3.6%). So the #3 WR, who was used a lot (6 targets) in one of the previous 6 games, didn't come through the last 2 games of the year (13 targets/6 receptions), when the #2 option (OBJ) was injured in the SB and #3 option (Higbee) missed the last two games? Go figure!!

But you're right, the talent isn't comparable between Toney and VJ. Toney is electric. And yet somehow, if you take out his big game against Dallas (10 for 189)....we all saw the highlights......he averaged 7.8 yards per catch in the rest of his games.....which was 9. Sure, he's got talent but outside of 1 game, hasn't displayed it much....yeah, the QB and offense sucked....AND he comes with baggage (as talent sometimes does). Would he be terrific in L.A.? I don't know.

Snead and McVay will do their due diligence and that could amount to a whole lot of work or minimal. If they think we would be a better team with him, I'm in. We know, if we want him, they will get him. So it comes down to that.