Jeff Gordon's vagina is still sandy.....

[Prime Time]

 

[Loyal]

I have to admit, this horrific article has made me the most passionate about the Rams that I have been in a few weeks. Thanks Gordo, you miserable hack!

 

[DaveFan'51]

Never forget, Fan is short for ' Fanatic!' And that requires one to be "Fanatically Loyal" to your Team NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!! :shocking::shadesy):cheers:

 

[Rmfnlt]

I do think the quotes he pulled from other sources pretty much nail it - Goff was awful, but to write him off based on half a rookie season with no offensive thought processes anywhere on the team would be foolish. There's no reason to expect the Rams to suddenly be a 10-win team in 2017, but the extent of the talent on the roster is still absolutely unknown... they're completely un-projectable until they hit the field at least a few times.

I agree with this take.

 

[NERamsFan]

EPIC tread title!!

Also, fuck you Gordon. Can't wait till we win our chip one day and your dumbass is at home hiding behind your mom's couch.

 

[wolfdogg]

Espn insiders give 3 year potential forecast? And I thought 2019 mock drafts were worthless.

Training camp can't get here fast enough.

 

[UtahRam]

I'm not sure why you all have your panties in a wad over this. He was honest. What did you want him to say? The team sucks until they start winning games. Period. LOL

 

[Corbin]

St Louis sports journalism in general blows. Those guys are so up on themselves it's not even funny. Only in a place like STL can that many shitty sports writers still be employed.

 

[Merlin]

Realistically the best-case is McVay sticks around with moderate improvements year-over-year and he and Goff come together to make an integrated offensive system together. First year in a new system usually has bumps... Bradford going through OCs like toilet paper sheets was a big part of why he didn't succeed (that and the cherry bombs implanted in his knee going off at inopportune times).

IF Goff is to reach his potential and IF McVay is going to be a successful head coach, ownership and fans will need to be patient, as repetition and players' familiarity with the system are the two most important elements to making an offense work.

Bradford and his clown car full of bad OCs and surrounding talent is not a good reference. And that is important because success at QB is about much more than just the QB. Truth is that to what extent Goff improves and how soon will come down to some variables that are outside his control, and all of which are night and day difference between what he has and what Sam had, and I say that because I believe Goff has talent, he now has the coaching, and take a look at this year's team vs what Sam had...

I think this OL is potentially better, now that they have a bona fide LT and leader in that room. Goff won't be counting to two in his head on every single snap wrt his blindside. There is also better depth, no doubt in my mind on that one.

I think the WR corps has more talent that fits the scheme than what Sam had. Woods is a really solid wideout Jared can depend on, there are a couple year 2 kids that seem to be coming around, and the draft brought in a couple more and one of those two is extremely polished, big, and has great hands. TEs are moreso long on talent with young players, but there is talent and hands and most importantly "fit" there.

Gurley is potentially an elite back, another talent level that those previous Rams squads didn't offer to Bradford.

And lastly coaching. McVay is a cut above anyone that Bradford had. It's not even close.

And I'm not making excuses for Sam here, God knows I've given the guy a hard time here on the board on many occasions. But it's the truth that there is more actual talent on this roster surrounding Goff. So I don't know that it's wise for us to put a cap on what they can do in year one, simply because the rare teachers of the game do have an ability to impact a roster right out the gate. We can list what happened to Sam, or we can see what Martz did in installing his, what, 600 page playbook in one camp. The best coordinators in the game are also the best teachers. Teaching plus talent can do some good things.

 

[DCH]

Bradford and his clown car full of bad OCs and surrounding talent is not a good reference. And that is important because success at QB is about much more than just the QB. Truth is that to what extent Goff improves and how soon will come down to some variables that are outside his control, and all of which are night and day difference between what he has and what Sam had, and I say that because I believe Goff has talent, he now has the coaching, and take a look at this year's team vs what Sam had...

My point is more that you have to be patient and let the coaching and QB grow together. Sam had better OCs than Goff had last year - Shurmur and McDaniels were both excellent OCs, although McD trying to shoehorn in his crazy wide-open scheme with no preseason was immensely stupid - but none of 'em stuck around long enough for Bradford to really jive.

McVay being an offensive-minded head coach should help, because any OC turnover will be less impactful since the new guy will be operating McVay's established offense.

I think this OL is potentially better, now that they have a bona fide LT and leader in that room. Goff won't be counting to two in his head on every single snap wrt his blindside. There is also better depth, no doubt in my mind on that one.

Bradford's OLs were... up and down. Saffold was really good as a rookie, but Jason Smith should be Bradford's go-to curse word (although TJ Clemmings is probably replacing it). Whitworth and Sullivan will help Goff a ton... finally a real center, which the Rams have needed since, uh, maybe since the era of the Donut Bros.

I think the WR corps has more talent that fits the scheme than what Sam had. Woods is a really solid wideout Jared can depend on, there are a couple year 2 kids that seem to be coming around, and the draft brought in a couple more and one of those two is extremely polished, big, and has great hands. TEs are moreso long on talent with young players, but there is talent and hands and most importantly "fit" there.

The WR corps is a big ??? to me. I have no idea what to expect out of any of them. I like Woods as a possession guy, never liked Austin and the rest are rookies/2nd year guys. The measurables are there. Kupp may be a nice pickup.

Gurley is potentially an elite back, another talent level that those previous Rams squads didn't offer to Bradford.

I'm not ready to say Gurley is better than SJax. Jackson spent so many years as practically the only NFL-caliber player on the Rams' offense that it's hard for me to compare the two.

And lastly coaching. McVay is a cut above anyone that Bradford had. It's not even close.

He could be, and again, having an offensive-minded HC will make it a lot easier to transition between coordinators if the need arises. I think Bradford would have been really good had Shurmur stayed on beyond 2010. The continuity would have been a huge bonus - as evidenced by his performance under Shurmur in Minnesota.

And I'm not making excuses for Sam here, God knows I've given the guy a hard time here on the board on many occasions. But it's the truth that there is more actual talent on this roster surrounding Goff. So I don't know that it's wise for us to put a cap on what they can do in year one, simply because the rare teachers of the game do have an ability to impact a roster right out the gate. We can list what happened to Sam, or we can see what Martz did in installing his, what, 600 page playbook in one camp. The best coordinators in the game are also the best teachers. Teaching plus talent can do some good things.

Don't disagree at all, I'm just saying that the most important thing will be patience and allowing your young HC and young QB to grow together over the next several years. Don't be disappointed if it's not a Martz-Warner-esque turnaround... those don't happen much, and holding that as the bar for success hurts a team's ability to build something for the long run.

 

[Merlin]

The WR corps is a big ??? to me. I have no idea what to expect out of any of them. I like Woods as a possession guy, never liked Austin and the rest are rookies/2nd year guys. The measurables are there. Kupp may be a nice pickup.

The key is comparing them to Sam's WR corps. He never really had anyone he could consistently trust. Woods was signed for that reason, then adding Kupp is another guy who he can trust to be in the right spot and actually catch the ball. Plus some of the depth kids who also seem to fit this offense. I like this WR corps better than any we had with Sammy.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Butt-hurt and a sandy gina, good. Pick an orifice and go screw yourself JG.

 

[bluecoconuts]

 

[Soul Surfer]

Gordon winner of the first Sandy V award?

Actually, it would be the second Sandy V award.

I had this girlfriend once....
Well it's a long story....
nevermind.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Jeff is just pandering to the St Louis crowd to sell newspapers...that and he's a burnout.

 

[Soul Surfer]

I didn't read Jeff Gordon's entire hit piece but I noticed how he automatically assumes that Jerome Brown is going to be the right tackle when even McVay and Kromer don't know that yet.

He also mentions every bad appearing stat of Goff's but doesn't mention that he's suffered from the worst drop rate in the NFL.

The guy is a clown.

 

[Dxmissile]

St Louis sports journalism in general blows. Those guys are so up on themselves it's not even funny. Only in a place like STL can that many crappy sports writers still be employed.

Keep STL out of it

 

[Rmfnlt]

Keep STL out of it

Crappy journalists exist in any city!

If they're good, they rise to national crappiness

 

[CGI_Ram]

Keep STL out of it

Agree.

 

[CGI_Ram]

There are a few teams (the Jets, for example) where you look at the roster and know they are going to struggle.

After so many consecutive years sub .500, I understand why someone might suggest the Rams need time to add pieces to the roster... but unlike the Jets, if you look at our players, there are pieces there.

Our team is stronger than it appears on the surface, IMO.