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Loyal said:
He’s a Cardinal now and hates the Rams. I can live without him now, just like Dan Dierfdorf won’t be in any combined Circle of Honor. Can you still tell I am pissed as fvck at his betrayal after the career was over?
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Comedy.
 
RamDino said:
Agree with Old School... I'm not sure they can have a "ring of honor" with the Chargers currently in there, but they should honor the entire Super Bowl team at some point. Preferably next year when they can have fans -lol.
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There is probably a way to do something with special dedicated video panels. Change the panels to something else with event changes.

But it would need to be designed in a way to be classy. Special narrow display panels or something to make it look not like cheap video panels thrown together.
 
OldSchool said:
I almost stopped being a Rams fan when she traded away Dickerson.
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Wendell Tyler trade traumatized me
Dickerson trade devastated me
Bettis trade crushed me
But the one move that honestly made me consider jumping ship, was not due to losing a player, but by actually adding one.
The drafting of Lawrence Philips really pushed me to the edge
 
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thirteen28 said:
I've got really mixed feelings on this one.

On one hand, I do wish Warner would get over his anti-Ram grudge. The Rams are the ones that ultimately gave him his big chance and compensated him accordingly when he made the most of it. And it's the team with which he actually got his ring. Furthermore, it's not the same people running the team when he left, so why the continued butthurt?

On the flip-side though, I still remember very vividly how quickly and viciously Rams fans turned against him when things started to go south while giving Martz a pass for a few years after. Yet it was Martz who got Warner killed time and time again, putting him on an island against unblocked rusher and exposing him to hit after hit until the inevitable injury occurred - even moreso in a case like his where he's got mobility commensurate with a pocket QB and also had the guts to hang in there and take a hit. Yet Martz got a pass for his fuckups vis a vis Warner for a couple of years after Kurt was gone. If there's anyone Kurt should hold a grudge against, it's Martz.
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It's not that they turned against him personally... Its just that he sucked. He held the ball too long and got beat up. A lot was on Martz for that, but it was also on him.

He got used to seeing guys running free and making big plays. As defenses caught up and the talent around him dropped off, he didnt adjust and held the ball like Wentz does now.

His hand was damaged, had grip issues, and simply was a turnover machine. Had the same isdyue in NY and initially in Arizona.

He later started wearing gloves and it fixed his grip issues and he rebounded. Kudos to him.

So just saying its not like the fans turned on him other than seeing that he just couldn't do it anymore at that time. The decision to move to wearing gloves saved his career.
 
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PhillyRam said:
It's not that they turned against him personally... Its just that he sucked. He held the ball too long and got beat up. A lot was on Martz for that, but it was also on him.
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He held onto the ball "too long" because Martz kept running long developing plays without any extra blockers, among the many other stupid things he did trying to salve his ego after losing the Super Bowl to the Patriots. He put Warner in a shit position and then threw him under the bus when things went south. He had a slight amount of decency to admit - much, much later, after he was out of coaching - that he got Kurt killed.

The injuries, including the hand injury, probably doesn't happen if Martz does a little introspection and a little bit of adjusting to the changing reality. He didn't, and Kurt took the brunt of it initially, although Rams fans in general took it as the team fell apart.
 
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dieterbrock said:
Wendell Tyler trade traumatized me
Dickerson trade devastated me
Bettis trade crushed me
But the one move that honestly made me consider jumping ship, was not due to losing a player, but by actually adding one.
The drafting of Lawrence Philips really pushed me to the edge
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bettis had quit on the team so i was kinda glade to see him go. i would have rather seen them get bettis back to playing hard for the rams but i don't think it would happen so i was glade to see him go.
 
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dieterbrock said:
Wendell Tyler trade traumatized me
Dickerson trade devastated me
Bettis trade crushed me
But the one move that honestly made me consider jumping ship, was not due to losing a player, but by actually adding one.
The drafting of Lawrence Philips really pushed me to the edge
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Watching Wendell Tyler running with the ball swinging in the air, traumatized me.. Seriously, my gut clenches into a knot just thinking of a terrific run or two of his, and then a defender popping the ball out a few yards from the goal line. I was Soooooo glad when he wasn't a Ram.
 
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Mojo Ram said:
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I didn't know Brenda was an actual alien in the show V
 
thirteen28 said:
He held onto the ball "too long" because Martz kept running long developing plays without any extra blockers, among the many other stupid things he did trying to salve his ego after losing the Super Bowl to the Patriots. He put Warner in a shit position and then threw him under the bus when things went south. He had a slight amount of decency to admit - much, much later, after he was out of coaching - that he got Kurt killed.

The injuries, including the hand injury, probably doesn't happen if Martz does a little introspection and a little bit of adjusting to the changing reality. He didn't, and Kurt took the brunt of it initially, although Rams fans in general took it as the team fell apart.
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He did play hero ball though... No mistake that a less talented Bulger stepped in and outplayed him. Warner needed a break and had to fix his grip issues. He was a turnover machine here and in NY & Arizona.

Once he started wearing gloves he was like a new QB again.
 
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RamDino said:
Has Warner ever discussed this?
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From the story...

"Kurt thought playing [with gloves] made a difference," said Whisenhunt, who went to a Super Bowl with Warner, "and that played a big part of it. I just knew that if it helped to cut down on the turnovers I was 100 percent for it."

Like Rivers, Warner absorbed a raft of hits, and they often yielded turnovers -- with Warner fumbling six times in his debut with the New York Giants. He wasn't going to start in Arizona unless he reduced his mistakes, and that happened in 2007 when he switched to gloves, saying they helped him grip the ball when throwing and getting hit.
 
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