People do shaft Goff with regard to throwing on the run. Compared to the rest of his game, it's a weakness. But he's not bad at it. He's just not amazing at it like he is throwing from the pocket.
It's fair to call Goff elite now
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People do shaft Goff with regard to throwing on the run. Compared to the rest of his game, it's a weakness. But he's not bad at it. He's just not amazing at it like he is throwing from the pocket.
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LOL. Yes!!!!!
The defense only influenced the comeback by having the Saints kickoff after scoring to give the ball back to the Rams high powered offense LOL.
The defense gave up 45 points, almost 500 yards, 141 rushing and 346 passing, didn't record a sack, gave up THIRTY ONE first downs, gave up 7 of 12 third down opportunities and 2 out of 2 fourth down opportunities, gave up drives of 75 yards for a td THREE fucking times one of which was in the 4th quarter late to seal the game on a 72 yard pass play and gave up another drive for 87 yards.
An average day by an average defense would have seen a double digit win by the Rams.
It was a debacle on that side of the ball.
Marino threw for 5000 yards in an era when 3000 was a Pro Bowl season. He still may be the best pure thrower ever.
How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.
Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?
Legit criticism of him. I cringe sometimes when I see him rolling out...but every once in a while he throws an insane TD tp Kupp in the end zone...lol
That seems kind of arbitrary. Peyton Manning was an elite QB before he won his first playoff game. Let's say Goff wins playoff games this year. Does that make him an elite QB? Let's say that the Rams lose our first game in the playoffs 48-45, but Goff goes 25/28 for 400 yards and 5 TDs. Does losing that playoff game make him any less great?
I outright called Goff elite like 5 weeks ago way before this notion was even a topic for discussion and I’m still flummoxed as to why it’s a question.
Goff is elite and both the stats and the eyeballs agree.
Goff is elite and both the stats and the eyeballs agree.
No, actually I'm not but I don't think playoff wins, championships that much to do with it!
So are you saying Eli was elite at one time? Is
So you're saying Eli was elite at one time? Yes he had some dominant teams for a few years but I wouldn't say he ever played at an elite level. I guess that means you'd take Eli at his best over Jared right now then?!
I think QB's can have elite games but that's different from being elite. IMO, to be elite I think you have to show consistant dominance at your position and sustainability.
When you're looking at a players career when it's all said and done, Of course you should see playoff wins and championships!
I think Goff is playing some elite ball right now. I can see the reluctance to say that because of the sample size and when he has a bad game you don't get the benefit of the doubt the way a Rodgers and Brees would because they have maintained it over a period of time.
Speaking of Peyton, he barely ever threw on the run because he got rid of it so quick. And when he did, he would throw a lot of ducks. I think that’s an overrated attribute. But Goff is still good at it.
Mobility and throwing on the run are not very important... unless were talking about college football and I missed it.
As I said before, looked like the team came all the way back and took a breath. Lost the edge that got them there. I think he and the team kind of laid an egg at the end of the Saints game. As far as elite, it is a little early for that label. If he keeps it up he will be. Playing at this level for years is what elite is. He is playing great, but he has room to improve. I have seen him come thru last year but his team totally let him down. He has had pressure on him in a number of games and come thru. Part of his ability to have the game winning drive at the end of games is the entire team coming together and learning how to make that happen. This includes the play calling, which at the end of games when we need to run out the clock or have a winning drive has either got to cute or to conservative. Coming back to win and holding on to games is always the team. Brady especially early in his career when he was dueling with Manning had a superior defense or we would be talking Manning as the Goat. But I digress. I guess my point is I am totally happy with Goff. He is not a problem. He is a head of schedule and still on the up swing. The team while it is 9 - 1 still has some issues and if those get worked out, we can count a SB.
I love your answer, Mackeyser. Bonus points for being pithy. Lol.
I’ll say this. I wouldn’t trade Goff for any other QB playing in ‘18, given his youth and projected 12-15 year future.
I think that that is one way to define the term elite.
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I'm not sure why this post isn't pages of everyone agreeing but here we are...
Eli is one of the most inconsistent qb to ever win a SB. He won Sb cause of his defense. He could just loft it up to plaxico and a fluky reception. No he has never been elite and should not be in HOF. His second SB he made a great pass, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
What's a bit arbitrary is comparing Jared Goff in being in the league for 2 years worth of games to Peyton Manning after 6 years in the NFL. Peyton Manning's first 3 season weren't Earth shattering either which is fairer to compare to Goff's career so far in any sense. Manning's INT %, TD %, and comp % were pretty pedestrian at best. Where has Goff's been at as a Career? And the answer is yes regardless if you want to or not wins or losses are on the shoulders of the QB regardless if it's fair or not.
I wouldn't say Eli was elite (lol obviously) for a career but there was for damned sure a time when Eli had an elite stretch where he was clutch for his team and bailed them out multiple times at the end of the season and leading into the playoffs leading to both those Super Bowls especially that first one. Either leading clutch drives for TD's or field goals to cap off a game to be out of reach for the win.
Eli has been very inconsistent in his career, there is zero debate on that and that's not what is being debated here. He had stretches where he was the Giants everything those two seasons. What's being debated is everybody is crowning Goff calling him elite where he is barely removed from being 0-6 as a starter and horrible in almost every aspect of his game. Now all of a sudden he is the best QB in the league? By the same standards I've read in this thread Mahomes is the best QB in the league right now and it's not close. Is that accurate?
How about we wait a bit until defenses figure out ways to challenge this offense? or actually do something meaningful in the playoffs?