How did the Rams get it so disastrously wrong with John Franklin-Myers?

[Allen2McVay]

Many players have good years. Hell remember when Eugene Sims had a good year??

I agree. Just saying that I am forced to watch a lot of Jets football here in NYC (many family and friends are Jets fans); and Franklin-Myers was REALLY-good last year. Especially in the first-half of the season, after which the Jets gave him a huge extension (4-years / $55M ... that's almost $14M-per-season).

 

[1maGoh]

The Rams kept Tanzel Smart over Franklin-Myers.

Say that again for the people in the back. They didn't hear you.

That being said, the word disastrously is too strong. It maybe (emphasis on maybe) could have been handled better but it wouldn't have made a significant difference up to this point.

 

[TheTackle]

He's JAG.

Come on, really? I hate to use PFF but he graded out at over 80. Had one of the best DE grades vs the run and logged 6 sacks. He’s about as far from a JAG as it gets especially as some Jets commentators say he outplayed Williams (who was a big reason why we lost to them JAGS in 2020)

Is a little arrogance creeping in around here now that we are champions after over a 20 year wait (mostly as JAGs)?

 

[Allen2McVay]

Yes they were both drafted the same year.
JFM was a 4th rounder and Joseph Day was a 6th rounder.
Now enough with the trivial facts, which one is going to have more playing time and a chance to make the team more?

Of course the higher draft pick is.
At the time JFM needed to get size, strength, and technique and was forced into rotation.

He was not by any means the player he is today, and at the end of the day the decision makers decided he wasn’t as good as a fit as other players on the roster ( I remember that interview) of course it’s coach speak but to the powers at be felt he wasn’t showing much if anything more than Joseph Day.

I wrote that wrong, true Brockers wasn’t replaced by SJD but JFM is a DE not a NT.
Suh carried that off season long asf so we couldn’t get a Cómo pick for him signing with the pos Bucs.

We're not in disagreement here

My first post on page one was to disagree with the OP that releasing Franklin-Myers was 'Disastrously Wrong'.

In several posts on this thread, all I have said was the following:
Franklin-Myers was the top-reserve-DL in 2018,
Joseph-Day replaced Suh in 2019,
It was a surprise when Franklin-Myers was cut prior to the start of 2019, and
Franklin-Myers played well in New York last season
Those are all facts, whether you view them as 'trivial' or not.

If you are going to name the wrong player in a post (Brockers instead of Suh) then you should expect a reply.

 

[TheTackle]

The Rams had Suh, Brockers, and Donald at the time and please tell me which one of those JFM was better than?

As right now, the Rams were cash strapped then and weren’t playing Madden when you can stack a team.

In reality, you can’t keep everybody, especially if you draft well.

Suh had left the building. Franklin Myers is the best player outside of Donald (now) who played on that DL

Side note: he is a team leader and highly respected so I am not sure where the attitude stuff comes from? It may be that he was released due to an injury which might explain why he spent 2020 on the IR

It was a big mistake but of course hasn’t proved costly because two others emerged. Note: Franklin-Myers outplayed both in 2021

 

[Allen2McVay]

That being said, the word disastrously is too strong. It maybe (emphasis on maybe) could have been handled better but it wouldn't have made a significant difference up to this point.

Agree, that's why my very first comment on my initial reply on Page 1 was:
"Disastrously Wrong" seems like a little bit of a stretch but Franklin-Myers has turned into a solid DL.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Suh had left the building. Franklin Myers is the best player outside of Donald (now) who played on that DL

I'm not in agreement with that. Franklin-Myers had a good 2021.

However, if he was on the current Rams roster, I would start both Robinson and Gaines over him; and put Franklin-Myers in next to Donald on passing downs.

 

[BuffaloRam]

Eh - JFM plays for the Jets. Getting released may have been the catalyst to motivate him. He has more wins as a Ram than as a Jet. That’s gotta hurt a bit. Aeneas will trade for him IF he is the missing piece (which I doubt). Without being waived in 2019, who knows if he develops

 

[Loyal]

I'm still mad about how we let Drew Hill go.

Of course, @Loyal will say I only feel that way because Hill was about the same size as Tutu Atwell.

Of course you know that football players were smaller back then. I think a monster Olineman was 300 pounder, when the norm was around 270 lbs. So Drew was normal! instead of a midget!.

 

[AvengerRam]

Of course you know that football players were smaller back then. I think a monster Olineman was 300 pounder, when the norm was around 270 lbs. So Drew was normal! instead of a midget!.

Harold Carmichael says "hold my beer" (its in a tall boy can).

 

[Angry Ram]

Come on, really? I hate to use PFF but he graded out at over 80. Had one of the best DE grades vs the run and logged 6 sacks. He’s about as far from a JAG as it gets especially as some Jets commentators say he outplayed Williams (who was a big reason why we lost to them JAGS in 2020)

Is a little arrogance creeping in around here now that we are champions after over a 20 year wait (mostly as JAGs)?

Yeah really. Nothing wrong with being JAG. Most players are.

 

[TheTackle]

I'm not in agreement with that. Franklin-Myers had a good 2021.

However, if he was on the current Rams roster, I would start both Robinson and Gaines over him; and put Franklin-Myers in next to Donald on passing downs.

I love Gaines and wouldn’t necessarily argue with that but as of now we have 2 2nd year players in reserve with a total of how many sacks and tackles in the NFL? Which is kinda my point

Thanks for some excellent posts. The argument from others that he’s only good because he plays on a terrible team is kinda retarded . Many people would argue its easier to look good on a great team, but heh ho. I suppose we didn’t have any good players - like Pickett - on terrible Rams teams until they left

 

[tklongball]

I normally don't care about stuff like this, but somebody change the title of this thread. I mean, really? "So Disastrously Wrong?" That would be apt if they had cut AD; but JFM?

 

[PhillyRam]

Disasterously wrong on a personnel issue is drafting Trubisky over Mahomes.

It's passing on Aaron Rodgers until pick 20 something.

It's drafting 12 players ahead of Aaron Donald.

It is NOT... cutting John Franklin Myers!

 

[TheTackle]

Disasterously wrong on a personnel issue is drafting Trubisky over Mahomes.

It's passing on Aaron Rodgers until pick 20 something.

It's drafting 12 players ahead of Aaron Donald.

It is NOT... cutting John Franklin Myers!

Or drafting Greg Robinson before Donald came off the board! Doh!

 

[TheTackle]

So, to sum up, this thread is about the word disastrous.

I was bored of the other threads and so posted a talking point - but hell, we just signed Booby Wagner - so that at least solved one of the longer and most boring ongoing threads of recent weeks: in which half the board argued he was washed up and not worth more than a one year contract or that we don’t need him

 

[PhillyRam]

So, to sum up, this thread is about the word disastrous.

I was bored of the other threads and so posted a talking point - but hell, we just signed Booby Wagner - so that at least solved one of the longer and most boring ongoing threads of recent weeks: in which half the board argued he was washed up and not worth more than a one year contract or that we don’t need him

Yeah, disasterous was an absurd description. GM's get fired for "disasterous" decisions. It wasn't disasterous. It's ashame it didn't work out, but I don't think he would have made a big difference. No better than Day and not close to Gaines. So they did fine.

 

[Neil039]

Nothing like a strong cup of hyperbole in the morning.

Disastrous? Really? We just won the SB. What? Holding on to JFM would have meant we would have won it more betterer?

Who gives a fuck if we let a guy go that becomes a decent player on a shitty team? It won't be the first or last time. And I'll take Gaines and Robinson over JFM any day and twice on Sundays.

Agree! Every shit team has a top player!

 

[Debacled]

Suh had left the building. Franklin Myers is the best player outside of Donald (now) who played on that DL

Side note: he is a team leader and highly respected so I am not sure where the attitude stuff comes from? It may be that he was released due to an injury which might explain why he spent 2020 on the IR

It was a big mistake but of course hasn’t proved costly because two others emerged. Note: Franklin-Myers outplayed both in 2021

The guy he is now in NY is not the guy the Rams cut prior to 2019...nor was he in that season or the following one. As has been pointed out his first year there was a wash, and then in 2020 he was again just another rotational guy on a poor team.

Could be scheme, could of been a wake up moment, could have been a bit slow at developing, could have been a million different things. At the time it was a mildly surprising release, but he was by all accounts just a rotational guy on the team while here.

Would he have developed the same success in the systems run in LA competing for time with the guys relied on since he was given his walking papers? We'll never know

 

[RamsSince1969]

Lori Teppenhart back in 1979 for me ... but I'm guessing we are talking about different things.

I had a Lori in 1980 that was still the best ever! Man, that gal was gifted! Sweet memories!