Breer predicting Cutler to Rams

[Elmgrovegnome]

I see where you are coming from but I would rather go 2 years and 20m guaranteed with Bradford. I trust you on the 2 and 31 with cutler although there has to be some dead money involved.

I agree we need a bridge but bringing in a guy who doesn't listen to coaches and changes calls from the sidelines in the huddle is just not worth it.

Fisher and his staff are building something pretty special here. Jay Cutler does not enhance that. Why risk him not listening to coaches here. He is not a leader, not a good locker room guy. Also if he can't win with Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett and Forte what do expect from him here?

If you don't like the Bradford idea, how about bringing in a guy like Tom Brady? He won't be playing under his current contract next year of 9M. If NE does not make the SB I bet Brady becomes available.

As much as I don't like the guy, I would be estatic if the Rams landed Brady.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I dont buy the Fisher on a short leash bit at all. Kroenke is committed to letting Fisher build a team with longterm stability. The team as a whole is coming along nicely. Why does Fisher seem to be on some people's hot seat?

Has nothing to do with Fisher. My comment was cutler is a hc killer. Shanahan, lovie, trestman. All shot down while cutler was their starting qb and their teams stalling or going backwards. Why would you want that coming to your team?

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[jrry32]

Has nothing to do with Fisher. My comment was cutler is a hc killer. Shanahan, lovie, trestman. All shot down while cutler was their starting qb and their teams stalling or going backwards. Why would you want that coming to your team?

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To be fair to Cutler and Lovie, they both got screwed over. The Bears were winning with Cutler and Lovie(and Marinhelli).

 

[Alan]

StevenG-BR putting no stock in anything anyone says:
I wouldn't put much stock into JT's predictions. He knows no more than we do about what the Rams want at QB

I've also heard interviews where Snead and Demoff put an emphasis on their desire to find a QB who can start 16 games and provide stability at the position. But honestly, based on how Fisher has handled the QB position this year, it's safe to say nothing he says can be trusted. He's gone back on his word twice this year.

I think you just gotta ignore hype and bias, and ask yourself if Bradford returning is logical. Considering he has proven, without a doubt, that he can't stay healthy, and his play has only been "OK... pretty decent" when on the field, I just don't see Fisher/Snead gambling with their careers.

I disagree that JT doesn't know more than we do considering who he has access to. He may not know what the Rams future plans are at QB but that might be because the Rams don't know.

When I ask myself what's logical in the Bradford situation I see him coming back at a reduced salary as option 1A. I also see the Rams coming up with an option 1B that isn't named Cutler because as you said, Sam hasn't proven he can stay healthy and among other things, Cutler is one consussion away from hanging up his spikes for good.

The other aspect of this that you might not be considering is the timing. We might look at what we have and trade for or try to sign Cutler after the draft is over when we know where we stand without him but before then? I seriously doubt we decide to cut Sam without having an option 1B already in place. Cutler would be more of a last ditch fall back option to me. If that's true, it would put us way behind in any race to acquire him IMO. Not to mention the fact that there are teams out there who will probably offer him more more money than we will and Cutler doesn't strike me as a player who isn't all about the money at this stage in his career.

My final point on this is why would Cutler want to come to the Rams when you consider that our O-line is just as crappy or more so than theirs? Because we're going to fix that in FA and the draft and the Bears won't?

I don't know where this hype and bias is that you're talking about or even who might be suffering from it if it did exist. Sam isn't a future draft pick. We all pretty much know what he's capable of if healthy. The Rams even more so than us.

I'd be OK with Cutler as a short term fix but I don't see it happening. He's just not that good and not young enough to take any big risk with him.

But then what do I know?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I'd be OK with Cutler as a short term fix but I don't see it happening. He's just not that good and not young enough to take any big risk with him.

Well everybody wishes for Bradford to be back and healthy. It has been shown on this thread that Cutler has been every bit as good as Sam and even better.

 

[den-the-coach]

Well everybody wishes for Bradford to be back and healthy. It has been shown on this thread that Cutler has been every bit as good as Sam and even better.

True, but after a while your reputation precedes you. Sometimes it gets really difficult to reinvent yourself. Hey jrry could be on to something, Fisher is the type of Head Coach that would be good for Cutler and even Schotty might be good for him because if he fails all of us will blame Schottenheimer.

Rams build great offensive line and the focus running the football so Cutler just has to make some key throws, but there will be that playoff game that he gets hit in the mouth like Warner against Tampa Bay and one wonders if Cuter has what it takes and I realize the Rams have not had a playoff game in a while and there is no debating Cutler's talent, but is he truly a good fit?

I would not be shocked if the Rams went in this direction and unlike others I trust Fisher/Snead when it comes to things like this and St. Louis might be the right city for Cutler because although he has far more weapons in Chicago the pass first philosophy should not be the case under Jeff Fisher and Brian Schottenheimer.

 

[Alan]

Elmgrovegnome with this:
It has been shown on this thread that Cutler has been every bit as good as Sam and even better.

Not to my satisfaction it hasn't. Those figures people are throwing out there are comparing Cutler with weapons and experience to Sam without either. Not to mention the fact that he had how many OCs in his brief career? Some of Sam's numbers were achieved with an O-line that makes this years version seem like it's made up of 5 Pro Bowl players. Who's getting fooled by raw stats without the proper context now? :eek: Didn't we just have a rousing discussion about stats in the PFF thread?

Beyond that, it's the the age/talent/injury risk combination that I don't like. Cutler will be 32 in April and that's too old to invest a lot of capital in. He's no Peyton Manning. Still, he's an upgrade over Hill and Davis, an excellent Plan 1B temporary fix and for the right price I'd love to have him. But would he love to have us for that "right price?" I contend the answer would be no.

 

[Big Willie]

I am predicting Cutler stays with the Bears and Trestman is out. How do I get that illuminating speculation on ESPN? (Surely it is a scoop and no one else has it.)

 

[brokeu91]

I have more faith in sam's knee than cutler's head. That means I have zero faith in cutler's head. He is what he is and will never change.

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I agree completely. I'd rather take my chances on Bradford, because when he's healthy he's pretty damn good. When Cutler is healthy, well...

 

[Boston Ram]

As much as I don't like the guy, I would be estatic if the Rams landed Brady.

You and me both!

 

[Boston Ram]

I like that idea too but how do you guarantee Grayson lasts until round 3? We have all seen this play out before. QBs have good private workouts or pro days and suddenly they go from 3rd rounde to top ten. I don't know if Grayson is the answer but banking n any QB with potential to last past the top of round 2 is a longshot these days.

Even if the Rams drafted a developmental guy with lots of potential, he wouldn't be ready to play next year and the Rams are a bad sack from going back to Hill.

The window is opened. The Rams need another NFL caliber starter on the roster before it closes. I don't think they can wait.

And coaches have a way of talking themselves into QBs. Fisher is not immune.

Agree with everything you say and Grayson is a huge risk. I guess at this stage this team really only needs a game manager. Had we started with Hill sooner (and I agree with the coaching staff to let Davis play) we are probably in the hunt for a playoff spot today. Hill is not the answer but he can probably get this team to the playoffs, especially if this defense plays like it has for 16 weeks.

Im not crazy about the idea of bringing both Bradford and Hill back but I think there is less risk then bringing in Cutler. I have seen what Hill can do and the players seem to like and follow him. Cutler has 1 playoff appearance and has shown the ability to implode and split a locker room. At the end of the day, I want to build a team that can win a SB. I don't think Cutler is a champion or leader. I don't see the upside with Cutler over the Bradford/Hill option. Either combo could get this team to the playoffs assuming again the defense continues this play next year. The big difference is Cutler has shown the ability to kill a locker room, coach and team. Too much risk for a guy who probably never gets this team to a SB.

 

[LetsGoRams]

Cutler lately has looked like an over-priced Austin Davis. No thanks.

 

[Corbin]

Arguments simple is Cutler probably better than what we have now? Yes. Bring him in on a 6-7 Mill contract, restructure Bradford to a 6-7 mill a year contract, have a rookie or Hill as third option. I'm sure we'll find a serviceable QB out of the 3.

 

[iced]

Didn't want Cutler when he was drafted - don't want him now.

No leadership qualities; Makes worse decisions on the field and in the red zone than Niners' Donald off the field.

He just got benched for Jimmy Claussen with Martellus Bennett, Alshon Jeffry, Brandon Marshall (most of the season), and Matt Forte around him...

I know some Bears fans were calling to keep Luke Mccown over Cutler last year...

I'll pass on the overrated, over paid man child

 

[ZigZagRam]

Cutler lately has looked like an over-priced Austin Davis. No thanks.

That's as poor of a comparison for Cutler that I've ever seen.

 

[ZigZagRam]

Arguments simple is Cutler probably better than what we have now? Yes. Bring him in on a 6-7 Mill contract, restructure Bradford to a 6-7 mill a year contract, have a rookie or Hill as third option. I'm sure we'll find a serviceable QB out of the 3.

I don't know if it'd work financially, but I'm all for making Sam earn his starting job going forward. Cutler is the only veteran FA that is going to challenge him, and I don't see us trading up for one of the rookies that could.

 

[DaveFan'51]

On ESPN radio Albert Breer was one with Van Pelt and Rosillo.

He claimed that Fisher scouted Cutler when he was drafted and he liked him. And Fisher is friends with Shanahan who also scouted and liked Cutler, in fact he traded up to draft him.

Then he noted Fishers success with guys with questionable character like Jenkins and Ogletree and some in his Tennessee time. He said Cutlers past would not scare Fisher and that he thinks St. Louis is the most likely landing spot for Cutler.

Aside from the fact he's a Turn-over Machine, and when it comes to seeing an open receiver, he's Blind. With his price Tag I wouldn't touch him!!

 

[ZigZagRam]

Fun Fact: Jay Cutler has the 12th best career passer rating of starting QBs in the league right now.

Fun Fact: The idea of Sam Bradford is promising, but the actual Sam Bradford hasn't been good, nor has he been able to stay healthy enough to prove that he's improved enough to take the offense to the next level.

 

[Rambitious1]

?How so?

I thought Cutler was a likely Rams target too. They need a QB in a hurry and if they can acquire Cutler on the cheap because Chicago wants to dump his contract or releases him then they can invest draft picks in the OLine. It could be the Rams best chance.

What is worse to bank on? Cutlers head or Bradfords knee? I would gamble on the head in this case. Cutler played well with a change of scenery and Fisher is a players coach that may make Culters troubles easier to handle.

JMHO both the head and the knee are VERY risky.

 

[Corbin]

I don't know if it'd work financially, but I'm all for making Sam earn his starting job going forward. Cutler is the only veteran FA that is going to challenge him, and I don't see us trading up for one of the rookies that could.

I have a firm conviction that if it could be worked out that Kevin Demoff could make it work financially. Ofc Cutler and Sam would have to agree to restructuring etc. but I see where neither of them is in a position to have the leverage to go get more. I love Sam but there is absolutely no way we should put all our eggs in the same basket with him and I'd rather go with Cutler than any other options that are apparent out there right now (FA and expected draft prospects). I agree, no way we trade up for a QB, at least in the first round.