An honest inquiry about the Tush Push

[kmramsfan]

I agree with all of that.
He can keep pushing and all that if he wants. If the refs blow the whistle the play is dead and its their job to spot the ball.
Because he is kinda of body surfing on his lineman and isn't down there is some leeway and blah, blah......
I hope it gets banned this offseason.

I think that the play could just go away on it's own, if the officials would do their jobs and call the infractions.
The Iggles have just done to this play what every other team does when it comes to things like holding, PI, wide out pick plays and so on.
See where they'll call it, and go that far with it without getting flagged.

 

[Mackeyser]

My view of the tush push has traditionally been that it's up to the defense to stop it, so I opposed banning it. That said, if the refs aren't going to call the play fairly, they should ban it. As I see it, the options are ban it or call penalties from the booth if the refs on the field won't do it. When the Eagles are false starting every single time and getting away with it because the refs can't see the ball, it's cheating.

OP, to answer your question, not all those guys are on the LOS. Three are off the LOS. As for them letting Hurts off the hook for fumbling, it is BS. If he wants to body surf, wriggle for yards, and reach the ball out, he should have to pay the price. He was still fighting for yards when Kobie (IIRC) ripped it out. Should have been a fumble.

I disagree. It became allowed when the refs stopped enforcing the rule that no offensive player can aid the ball carrier forward by pushing them, lifting them or aiding them directly.

Now, it’s morphed into a damned rugby scrum where as many as three people push the QB and because of the short distance to gain, they have essentially given up trying to call things like offsides on the offense (center over the ball) or false start (the guards getting a head start is a MASSIVE advantage)

The old rules were correct and this current mess is expressly due to laziness and inaction by the refs and competition committee.

Can’t wait for the ban of this play.

 

[majrleaged]

Given the prevalence of uncalled false starts on tush push plays, I've gotta believe they are being coached to go early and to keep doing it as long as it's not going to be called.

The NFL doesn't want a bunch of flags and the coaches know this. Yes they coach it.

 

[Mackeyser]

The NFL doesn't want a bunch of flags and the coaches know this. Yes they coach it.

Same thing Belichick did in Super Bowl 36.

 

[majrleaged]

Same thing Belichick did in Super Bowl 36.

Yes. That is when it started. Then they used that tactic to shut down Manning and from there everyone is doing it. Now Philly has started doing it in false starts and lining up illegally, daring the refs to call it. The last place they will start call that is in Philly's own stadium.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I didn't hear the whistle either. I didn't think about that being a factor in the play so when it was stripped, I was like, hey that makes sense you run that risk.

I always thought the tush push was the dive/other players helping him forward, the reach, and the play is dead. Like once you do that you gave yourself up. That obviously isn't the case so you would think it should be a strip/fumble because otherwise when the hell is the play dead? It's like what is the criteria for the whistle to be blown? Is it whenever the ref feels like it/until they get the first down?

Yeah...that's kind of BS.