Aaron Kromer, is leaving Sean McVay’s Rams staff

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Psycho_X said:
With it happening so often maybe when a coach doesn't get a promotion from another team McVay just assumes they suck now and replaces them himself.

Either way, I wasn't expecting this but I'm not freaking out about it. Now I'm very curious what McVay is doing to his offense in the offseason. He's obviously got a new vision of what he wants to do and that's exciting because the last two years have not made the cut for his standards.
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I think he has a coaching staff that is bringing in new ideas. O’CONNELL will get more influence in putting in the offense.
Just think of last season when Mcvay told both O’Connell & Staley to not go to the combine even before the Covid.
 
So Ram said:
go look at CGI RMs post.The Rams are bringing in a New OLine coach from Giants.I think it might be McVays train of thought. I have a Texas Ram picture in mind,but waiting for it to come out.
Nothing like Free Speech.I’m afraid of coping rights.A hint is The DEPTH of The Rams Offensive Line.
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Again, I'm not concerned with the move, just the timing of it. Seems strange to be making moves now.
But, I can see why a move can be a good one for the team if they get the right guy
 
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Sure will keep our interests up for the next few weeks trying to guess what's going on behind the Rams Organizational curtain!

I wonder if our new veteran QB had any major input on the type of OL he prefers?
 
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BonifayRam said:
Sure will keep our interests up for the next few weeks trying to guess what's going on behind the Rams Organizational curtain!

I wonder if our new veteran QB had any major input on the type of OL he prefers?
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You know the more I think about it, you may be right. Looking at what would be best for Stafford likely played a role. I'd also think that maybe the search for a replacement for assistant O-line coach gave McVay and Co. the idea that going in a new direction overall for the O-line was the right thing to do.
 
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Kromer was an upgrade when he was brought in, but some of his decisions were questionable. Starting Noteboom game after game at LG when he clearly wasn't suited for it, and then replaceing him with Demby, who was even worse. Continuing to start Blythe at C and not trying someone else there (Corbet, Shelton) when we all saw Blythe getting manhandled and Goff getting abused.
 
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Maybe it’s difficult to find players that can do what Kromer wanted to do and he would not bend to adjust his scheme. Maybe Kromer felt changes that McVay is asking for are not possible with the current personnel or he just didn’t want to do it.

Also this is an evaluation period for McVay, Snead, and coaches. Maybe in analyzing the job each position coach has been doing McVay and Snead felt Kromer wasn’t doing enough, or his ideas held the offense back. Or they could have their eye on someone that they think they could get. I just hope his name is not Loney or Boudreau.
 
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dieterbrock said:
The move itself isnt that surprising to me, I didnt think he was great and didnt think he was bad either.
What is surprising, and a bit disturbing, is the timing of the move. Why now? It's been weeks since teams made their fires/hires
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It seems to me that you said this about something else’s few years ago. The timing bothered you. I don’t recall what it was but I got instant Deja Vu when I read this post.

Faceplant said:
Does this mean they are moving away from a ZBS? Do they even have the right personnel??
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If Havenstein is really on the trade block, then maybe it tells us they want better pass blocking and they think Kromer either does not teach it well or is not good at identifying players with good pass blocking skills. Allen, Blythe, Corbett, Demby, nine are good pass blockers. I’m sure it’s possible that there are others.

what if in evaluating Olinemen Kromer thought had a lot of potential, and compared it to players that scouts liked they found that Kromer often missed on evaluations. Or maybe Kromer was pissed and simply got into an argument with McVay.
 
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I'm guessing they decided to part ways because they were going to change a lot of things, including personnel. (ie havenstein)
 

View: https://twitter.com/Rich_Hammond/status/1362606009387085824



Doubt Brooke Kromer would say "bummer" if it was a health issue and I think we can reasonably assume that Rich is right here in the tweet response.

So that leaves us with some sort of internal conflict. And with it coming so close to news that Havenstein is on the trade block I think it can reasonably be assumed that philosophical disagreement on how to proceed with oline was involved.

(Or, we've have convo's with Whit about him retiring and taking the job. And those convos didn't accelerate until we were in the weeds of the offseason. That's just a shot in the dark.)
 
AZRams said:
WTH is going on in that building!?
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We all have our opinions.

This is just speculation but it’s possible Mcvay trusted Kromers evaluation of the Oline in the offseason and realized how terrible of an evaluation Kromer made. Blythe, and Noteboom were terrible by most standards and Evans killed us against Green Bay destroying drives.

Just speculation and we will no doubt hear more as details come out and mouths open.

If my speculation is correct and Mcvay trusted Kromers evaluation of the Oline before the 2020 offseason then Kromer does deserve to be fired.

Otherwise if neglecting the Oline in Free agency and the draft in the 2020 offseason was due to Mcvays own evaluation of the Oline then Mcvay is loosing his fricken mind with all these scapegoats of the Offensive demise.

Mad Martz part 2.
 
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Rotating O-linemen?

I can see that as a fresh, new approach that excites McVay and disgusts Kromer.
 
We have no idea what is going on now.

But, IMO, Kromer should have been shown the door last year when Bill Callahan became available.
But, from what I read the latter and O'Connell didn't have that great of a relationship in Washington so.......
 
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Well Bill Callahan is just the OL coach in Cleveland so we could offer him a sub title plus OL coach to get him in the building.
 
Memphis Ram said:
We have no idea what is going on now.

But, IMO, Kromer should have been shown the door last year when Bill Callahan became available.
But, from what I read the latter and O'Connell didn't have that great of a relationship in Washington so.......
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Interesting, didn’t know that. Do you have a source?

One arguement in Kromers defense is the lack of top draft choices or free agents he was given to work with. It goes back to the impulsive Snead/Mcvay approach that pisses away cap dollars and draft picks.

The only thing we don’t know is what happened behind closed doors. Was Kromer Ok with no Oline picks in 2020 until round 7? It was very obvious to many even casual fans that we needed a talent upgrade in 2020 and now someone is fired because someone thought the Oline talent was fine. Was is Kromer or Mcvay?

Maybe people will now understand what the rest of us were saying when we pointed out how bad the Oline was in 2020 despite the PFF laughable grade that failed to put the heavy QB rollouts in context.
 
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Is offensive mastermind Kevin O'Connell being handcuffed by Bill Callahan?
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Zachary Neel

November 7, 2019 2:35 pm
Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Kevin O’Connell has been dubbed as one of the up-and-coming offensive-minded coaching stars in the NFL. Interim coach Bill Callahan is a 63-year-old football lifer who has filled various coaching roles since 1980.
One has been compared to the likes of Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan, both of whom left Washington in the past decade and went to become formidable head coaches in the NFL. The other has implemented a clock-milking, run-heavy game plan that mitigates any risk-reward situation in Washington.
While O’Connell calls the plays for the Redskins, a recent article from The Athletic paints a picture of the difficulty the former QB has in gearing Washington’s offense towards his own line of thinking, though he hasn’t expressed frustration with the situation.
“It may not be my offense on a game day because the head coach has a way he wants to play the football game,” O’Connell said. “Try to play complementary football with the other two phases (defense and special teams).”
When asked about how much of the playcalling he actually does, O’Connell responded that it was hard to put a percentage on it, but he felt that he was still able to do his job well under Callahan.
While the Redskins ramp up their coaching search as the season enters the second half, it will be interesting to see if O’Connell is able to let it fly with Dwayne Haskins and the offense a bit more as he continues to throw his hat into the ring for the top job. Washington says that they have a future offensive mastermind in the building. It would be smart to let him start acting like it.
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