Owners To Eliminate Kickoffs?

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How did they animate the brain?

Where do you get all your vast supply of knowledge, discernment, wisdom, and your seeming expertise of technical intellect?
In other words, I'm jealous. Oh could you please perform my brain surgery when it's required?
I'm also glad my brain doesn't slosh, because it sure feels like it has.o_O

I read a lot. And I’m a bit of an autodidact.

As for how smart I am, I think you’ll get a much different answer from my wife and adult kids...LOL.

I’ll just link the TEDtalk where the guy talks about it. It’s amazing. I watch a lot of TEDtalks, actually.

 

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Whether this goes through or not long-game, it would be nice if the NFL owners at least pushed for more investment in research to fix brain damage and improve helmets to avoid them. The way they handled the CTE scandal and feedback from the 2015 Concussion movie and swept these topics under the rug and addressed the issues by convoluting the rules is quite scummy on their part.
 

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Whether this goes through or not long-game, it would be nice if the NFL owners at least pushed for more investment in research to fix brain damage and improve helmets to avoid them. The way they handled the CTE scandal and feedback from the 2015 Concussion movie and swept these topics under the rug and addressed the issues by convoluting the rules is quite scummy on their part.

It wouldn't surprise me if those under Goodell didn't consider having the Doc in Pittsburgh killed.

They were having him followed and I have no doubt there was worse stuff going on that never came to light...
 

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Instead of investing money into R & D, the owners are taking the cheap route (as always), and screwing with the game. In the long run it will bite them in the ass by losing fans. It also shows they really don't care about concussions, player injuries, or even the game of football itself.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...kickoff-rules-limiting-full-speed-collisions/

NFL to vote on new kickoff rules, limiting full-speed collisions
Posted by Michael David Smith

The NFL is planning further changes to the kickoff, hoping to reduce the number of high-speed collisions that happen on the play.

A proposed new rule that owners will vote on next week will make several changes to the kickoff. The key takeaways are:

1. The kicking team must line up within one yard of the line where the ball is kicked (typically the 35-yard line), and must have five players on each side of the kicker. That changes the rule that allowed players to line up five yards behind the spot where the ball is kicked to get a running start. Now the kicker will be able to get a running start, but everyone else will get one step at best.

2. At least eight of the 11 players on the receiving team must line up within 15 yards of their restraining line, which would typically mean between the kicking team’s 45-yard line and the receiving team’s 40-yard line.

3. At least two players on the kickoff team must be lined up outside the numbers, and two players between the numbers and the hashmark.

4. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.

5. Wedge blocks will be eliminated. Past rule changes have limited wedge blocks to two players, but now even the two-man wedge will be banned.

6. The ball will be dead if it touches the ground in the end zone. In the past the returner could pick up the ball off the ground in the end zone and run it out, but now it would be a touchback immediately if it touches the ground in the end zone.

These rules are likely to result in fewer high-speed collisions on kickoffs and, the NFL hopes, fewer concussions.
 

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That bit about linin up outside the hashmarks, does that eliminate the onside kick where they all line up on one side of the kicker?
 

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That bit about linin up outside the hashmarks, does that eliminate the onside kick where they all line up on one side of the kicker?

Can't find anything on that specifically but my guess is the onside kick will remain the same for the time being. There's not the same type of collision as a kickoff because players aren't that far apart. But I'm also guessing that any type of NFL kickoff will be completely eliminated sooner than later.
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The NFL is going to change its kickoff rules to try to keep the play in the game
By Mark Maske


NEW YORK — The NFL’s competition committee plans to make a proposal to team owners later this month to change the rules on kickoffs in a bid to keep the play in the game rather than eliminate it over injury concerns.

The committee’s proposal is expected to be completed by Monday and includes recommendations delivered by special teams coaches during a meeting Wednesday at the NFL’s offices in Manhattan. The changes, if ratified by the owners when they meet later this month in Atlanta, would take effect during the upcoming 2018 season.

The proposal being formulated Wednesday bans players on the kicking team from getting a running start on their way downfield. It eliminates all forms of “wedge” blocking, where multiple blockers link together, by the receiving team. It requires eight of the 11 members of the receiving team to line up within 15 yards of the spot of the kickoff and bars hitting within those 15 yards. It keeps players on the kicking team from going in motion pre-kick.

“We want to continue to try to improve the safety of it and preserve the play,” said Atlanta Falcons President Rich McKay, the chairman of the competition committee. “And I think they’ve taken big steps toward that. … We know we’ve begun to take steps. We think the steps they’ve proposed really help also because it gets some of the bigger players off the kickoff team, which is something we’ve wanted to do for a long time.”

Kansas City Chiefs special teams coordinator Dave Toub said the urgency of the situation became apparent to him when he had breakfast with Troy Vincent, the NFL’s executive vice president of football operations, at the league’s annual meetings in March in Orlando.

“Troy said, ‘Hey, you know, the kickoff’s going to disappear,’ ” Toub said. “He just stated it like that. I said, ‘Wait a minute now. … Let’s make some adjustments.’”

The competition committee’s proposal does not incorporate the new college rule that allows the receiving team to get a touchback for a fair catch of a kickoff anywhere inside its own 25-yard line.

The committee’s plan will not include the proposal made by the NFL special teams coaches that a touchback on a kickoff would be placed at the 20-yard line, rather than at the 25, if the football goes through the uprights on the kickoff. That was designed to encourage teams to kick the ball deep into the end zone rather than drop high, short kickoffs inside the 5-yard line but shy of the goal line.

“We’re all concerned about the safety of the game,” said Green Bay Packers President Mark Murphy, a member of the competition committee. “We also realize it’s part of the fabric of the game. It’s exciting. One of the best things about our game is that you can catch up with the onside kick. To completely lose some of those things would be a big change to the game. But when you’re staring at injury data, you’ve got to do something.”

Murphy called the kickoff “by far the most dangerous play in the game.” The injury data shows, he said, that players are five times more likely to suffer a concussion on a kickoff than on a play from the line of scrimmage. According to McKay, there were 71 concussions suffered by players on kickoffs over the past three seasons.

League leaders have said they will consider eliminating kickoffs from the sport if the play cannot be made safer.

Murphy said he is “cautiously optimistic” about the proposed changes. Asked whether it’s possible to make the kickoff safe enough to avoid eliminating it, he said: “Time will tell. But I think so. You’ve got a lot of smart people here that coached a lot of football. I think they realize that this is a dangerous play.”

But the changes must have an immediate effect, he said.

“I think it’s a pretty short leash. … Hopefully you’ll see positive results from this,” Murphy said.

McKay said he believes that the NFL’s new helmet-hitting rule, which makes it a penalty for a player to lower his head and use his helmet to deliver a hit on an opponent, will help to eliminate some of the head injuries on kickoffs.

“I believe they’ve done some really good work here,” McKay said. “We want to preserve the play. And this is a big step toward trying to do that. … I would be surprised if we don’t make some progress on this play.”

The idea of the proposal is to eliminate the violent collisions that take place with would-be tacklers getting a running start before crashing into blockers far downfield. Under existing rules, members of the kicking team can get a five-yard running start, and blockers can line up far enough away to turn and retreat before moving forward into their blocks. The model is to make the kickoff more like a punt, with blockers being forced to run down the field alongside the players they’re attempting to block.

“Changing the alignment, I think that was the key to the whole thing,” said Steve Tasker, the former special teams standout for the Buffalo Bills who participated in Wednesday’s meeting. “The problem was that you had guys too far away from the kicking team. And they had a chance to gather themselves and run toward the kicking team, with the kicking team running toward them. Nobody’s trying to avoid the contact. … That’s a great start. Most fans are going to say it’s pretty much the same. … If they really want to save it, which I think they do, this is a good start.”

The NFL previously eliminated wedge blocking involving more than two members of the receiving team lined up side by side. This proposal would get rid of even the two-man wedge.

“The old rule, you had guys running at each other,” Toub said. “Now you’ve got guys running with each other down the field. It makes a big difference. … It’s just like a punt return. You’re running down the field together. You’re pushing people on the side, whereas you don’t have those big collisions. That’s the main thing in our proposal we tried to get done.”
 

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This is dumb asf. Pretty soon going to be playing flag football in a basketball arena.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tricts-where-players-can-line-up-on-kickoffs/

NFL bans running starts, restricts where players can line up on kickoffs
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 22, 2018

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The NFL has once again changed the kickoff.

NFL owners voted today to change the rules on kickoffs, with the following implemented for the 2018 season:

1. No running starts before the ball is kicked.

2. The kicking team must line up with five players on each side of the kicker.

3. At least two players on the kicking team must be outside the numbers.

4. At least two players on the kicking team must be between the numbers and the hashmarks.

5. At least eight players on the receiving team must be within 15 yards of their restraining line, which would typically mean between the kicking team’s 45-yard line and the receiving team’s 40-yard line.

6. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.

7. No wedge blocks.

All of these rules are designed to limit the number of high-impact collisions on kickoffs, which the NFL says are the most dangerous players in football. Eventually the kickoff might be eliminated altogether. At least for this season, it is remaining in place bus changing significantly.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-their-stance-are-subject-to-new-helmet-rule/

NFL confirms linemen coming out of their stance are subject to new helmet rule
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 22, 2018

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When the NFL announced a new rule penalizing any player who lowers his head to initiate contact, an immediate question was whether that would apply to linemen coming out of their stances.

The answer to that question is yes.

NFL head of officiating Al Riveron confirmed to reporters today that linemen who come out of their stances with their heads down and initiate contact with the top of the helmet will be penalized.

According to Tom Pelissero of NFL Media, Riveron was asked today at the league meeting, What if a defensive lineman coming out of his stance initiates contact with his head? “Can’t do it. He’s got to get his head up,” Riveron answered.

So NFL linemen are going to have to make significant changes to the way they do their jobs: In the past, linemen frequently made contact with their helmets when coming out of their stances. Now, they can’t.

Eventually, the NFL might just get rid of the three-point stance altogether. This new rule could be a first step toward that.
 

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6. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.

I think this rule is the biggest one for me. I saw a video graphic on twitter just showing the x's and o's of this, however this rule showed the players advancing beyond that line before the ball was touched.

Also seems like this rule alone makes it more worth it to return the ball. If the gunners have to wait at the 45 yard line before they can start running you have to think that is a huge advantage for the return team. Right?
 

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6. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.

I think this rule is the biggest one for me. I saw a video graphic on twitter just showing the x's and o's of this, however this rule showed the players advancing beyond that line before the ball was touched.

Also seems like this rule alone makes it more worth it to return the ball. If the gunners have to wait at the 45 yard line before they can start running you have to think that is a huge advantage for the return team. Right?

How? The receiving team can't make a block within the first 15 yards until the ball is caught. So the kicking team can run freely down the field within 15 yards of the kick off. That means the returner has more chance of being surrounded by defenders.

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1. No running starts before the ball is kicked.

2. The kicking team must line up with five players on each side of the kicker.

3. At least two players on the kicking team must be outside the numbers.

4. At least two players on the kicking team must be between the numbers and the hashmarks.

5. At least eight players on the receiving team must be within 15 yards of their restraining line, which would typically mean between the kicking team’s 45-yard line and the receiving team’s 40-yard line.

6. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.

7. No wedge blocks.

Don't see need for internet outrage on these. Basically they are spreading the players out pre kick and restricting running space between a buffer. Seem pretty reasonable to me.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/say-farewell-to-the-three-point-stance/

Say farewell to the three-point stance
Posted by Mike Florio on May 22, 2018

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At a time when football fans finally are waking up to the demise of the kickoff, another football staple is about the go the way of the Stegosaurus. And a game that many regard as a dinosaur could soon be extinct, at least as we know it.

With the NFL finally admitting what some suspected for the past two months — the new helmet rule does apply to offensive and defensive linemen — the three-point stance inevitably will be gone. And the NFL will have gotten rid of it without actually getting rid of it.

That may be news to some of the people on the inside. Saints coach Asshole Face, a member of the Competition Committee, said recently on PFT Live that the three-point stance won’t be going away “in our lifetime.” But as coaches like Payton adjust to the interpretation that finally was unveiled on Tuesday, they’ll realize that the three-point stance has become an invitation to violate the new helmet rule.

He’s got to get his head up,” NFL senior V.P. of officiating Al Riveron said Tuesday regarding offensive linemen.

The only way to keep his head up is to never put it down. The three-point stance comes from the ability to fire out and slam into the opponent. With linemen in such close quarters, it will be impossible for an offensive lineman to blast forward into a defensive lineman without potentially hitting the opponent with a helmet that necessarily is low.

Again, this likely surprised people like Payton. When I asked him earlier this month whether the new helmet rule will alter the between-the-tackles running game, Payton said, “I don’t think a lot. I think you know working a coach up, guys that are pulling. But I don’t think it’s going to change much at all.”

With offensive linemen now obligated to get their heads up when blasting forward at the same, it’s going to change a lot. It’s going to change to the point where it’s not recognizable.

And it’s going to open the door for someone to start a football league that will play games not in the spring but during football season — and that will play football not like the NFL is hell bent on playing it but like football used to be played.
 

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How did they animate the brain?

Where do you get all your vast supply of knowledge, discernment, wisdom, and your seeming expertise of technical intellect?
In other words, I'm jealous. Oh could you please perform my brain surgery when it's required?
I'm also glad my brain doesn't slosh, because it sure feels like it has.o_O
When I first read this, I thought it was sarcasm. Then I saw his comment and realized I too, was jealous of the intellect shown lol