Camp Report 7/29/14

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CoachO

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I'm downgrading his impact due to the eye test. He wasnt as good as he was the year before. I just used the stats to back up that statement. I believe you have visions of the year before Dunbar stuck in your head. I agree that Dunbar is the best bet for the team this year but it aint bymuch from my point of view. what I'm hoping for is a phase out of Dunbar bye mid season. Hopefully Ray Ray progresses and will be ready bye then. If he's not it's not a bad thing that i'm rooting for the kid

I have visions of the year before because he will be playing the same position this year as he did in 2012. In last year's scheme, they did not differentiate the SLB/WLB, and just played ROLB/LOLB. You don't think teams didn't exploit that, making sure to attack Dunbar rather than Ogletree? With the subtle change in scheme this year, that just isn't going to be as easy to do. He is back to playing the WLB spot, which is geared more to making plays, and is the same role he had on 2012.

I have focussed on Armstrong in his 11 on 11 reps, and the ONLY thing he seems to do well, is close on the passes to the flat, and blitz off the edge. When they do run the ball, he is that guy who is quick to slide side to side, staying in that presnap 5-6 yards off the ball, and then is what I like to call the "pile jumper". He makes sure he gets in frame as soon as the whistle blows after someone else has made the play.

To think he will be ready to phase out Dunbar my mid-season, IMO, you may be disappointed. If it happens, I will be the first to admit how wrong I am.
 

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Kenny Brit and Brian Quick on the outside would give us some mean run blockers out on the edge.. Then you'd have Austin/Cook in the slot.. Should be a great potential for a tough to stop, balanced offense. As for the DB's - I think it's okay. I mean, maybe for once our receivers are finally something to be afraid of?
 

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I have visions of the year before because he will be playing the same position this year as he did in 2012. In last year's scheme, they did not differentiate the SLB/WLB, and just played ROLB/LOLB. You don't think teams didn't exploit that, making sure to attack Dunbar rather than Ogletree? With the subtle change in scheme this year, that just isn't going to be as easy to do. He is back to playing the WLB spot, which is geared more to making plays, and is the same role he had on 2012.

I have focussed on Armstrong in his 11 on 11 reps, and the ONLY thing he seems to do well, is close on the passes to the flat, and blitz off the edge. When they do run the ball, he is that guy who is quick to slide side to side, staying in that presnap 5-6 yards off the ball, and then is what I like to call the "pile jumper". He makes sure he gets in frame as soon as the whistle blows after someone else has made the play.

To think he will be ready to phase out Dunbar my mid-season, IMO, you may be disappointed. If it happens, I will be the first to admit how wrong I am.
I agree with this. I think Armstrong might be the eventual replacement for Dunbar, but I hardly expect it to happen this year. I do think Armstrong will get on the field for situational plays and may even get some certain looks drawn up specifically for his skill set.
 

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Kenny Brit and Brian Quick on the outside would give us some mean run blockers out on the edge.. Then you'd have Austin/Cook in the slot.. Should be a great potential for a tough to stop, balanced offense. As for the DB's - I think it's okay. I mean, maybe for once our receivers are finally something to be afraid of?
I am no coach, but I'm also perhaps way too geeked about two tight end single set back formations with Britt, Quick and Cook, and variations of that with Austin in motion.
 

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I agree with this. I think Armstrong might be the eventual replacement for Dunbar, but I hardly expect it to happen this year. I do think Armstrong will get on the field for situational plays and may even get some certain looks drawn up specifically for his skill set.

I absolutely agree with this. But the thing that seems to get lost (maybe its just me) is that many lose sight of the fact that Dunbar is not going to be on the field for 50% of the snaps. They play so much Nickel, the numbers of plays they are in the Base 4-3 is reduced. Also, in MOST cases, in the instances they are in the Base 4-3, it will be more traditional running downs and distances.

So the opportunity for them to find situational plays or Armstrong are going to be few and far between. Again, I know I seem to be beating this to death, but from watching him SO FAR in camp, he still is playing the position like a Safety. I get that its an adjustment. But it is what it is.
 

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I have visions of the year before because he will be playing the same position this year as he did in 2012. In last year's scheme, they did not differentiate the SLB/WLB, and just played ROLB/LOLB. You don't think teams didn't exploit that, making sure to attack Dunbar rather than Ogletree? With the subtle change in scheme this year, that just isn't going to be as easy to do. He is back to playing the WLB spot, which is geared more to making plays, and is the same role he had on 2012.

I have focussed on Armstrong in his 11 on 11 reps, and the ONLY thing he seems to do well, is close on the passes to the flat, and blitz off the edge. When they do run the ball, he is that guy who is quick to slide side to side, staying in that presnap 5-6 yards off the ball, and then is what I like to call the "pile jumper". He makes sure he gets in frame as soon as the whistle blows after someone else has made the play.

To think he will be ready to phase out Dunbar my mid-season, IMO, you may be disappointed. If it happens, I will be the first to admit how wrong I am.

Love the good hearted debate by the way. Your last statement basically just proved my point. Teams attacked dunbar because of his weak pass coverage. It's doesnt matter who he is matched up against. wheather it's the TE or the FB dunbar in not capable of covering either.

having ogletree matched up on teams TE the majority of the time will be better for the defense but it wont stop teams from attacking dunbar with the FB or second TE. He will still be a liability and teams will still be smart enough to attack him.
 

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I absolutely agree with this. But the thing that seems to get lost (maybe its just me) is that many lose sight of the fact that Dunbar is not going to be on the field for 50% of the snaps. They play so much Nickel, the numbers of plays they are in the Base 4-3 is reduced. Also, in MOST cases, in the instances they are in the Base 4-3, it will be more traditional running downs and distances.

So the opportunity for them to find situational plays or Armstrong are going to be few and far between. Again, I know I seem to be beating this to death, but from watching him SO FAR in camp, he still is playing the position like a Safety. I get that its an adjustment. But it is what it is.
Totally.

I also have to think though that Gregg Williams might be drawing up some plays in the nickel format that might take JL55 off the field for the speed and power of Ogletree and Dunbar...or Ogletree and Armstrong...etc. Williams creativity is what excites me. Who knows...you might see someone like Michael Sam line up as a LB just to rush the passer...or even one of out starting DEs.
 

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Love the good hearted debate by the way. Your last statement basically just proved my point. Teams attacked dunbar because of his weak pass coverage. It's doesnt matter who he is matched up against. wheather it's the TE or the FB dunbar in not capable of covering either.

having ogletree matched up on teams TE the majority of the time will be better for the defense but it wont stop teams from attacking dunbar with the FB or second TE. He will still be a liability and teams will still be smart enough to attack him.

Except with Ogletree taking away the primary TE, your safety (McDonald) then has the secondary coverage of any TE's or RB's. In most instances, the WLB is lined up over the weak side guard, in the usual 5 yards from the LOS. When they walk up the Safety, he is gonna be responsible for the back or 2nd TE, not the WLB.

And as long as you want to use stats to make your point, I will give it a try. He was exploited a whopping total of 18 times in 12 games last year, while playing in a different scheme. I don't see how that is a devastating total in the grand scheme of things. Vs. teams who will undoubtedly exploit Armstrong by RUNNING the ball at him every chance they get. Maybe its just me, but not being able to hold up against the run, is much more damaging to a defense then giving up 1 1/2 completions per game.
 

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Totally.

I also have to think though that Gregg Williams might be drawing up some plays in the nickel format that might take JL55 off the field for the speed and power of Ogletree and Dunbar...or Ogletree and Armstrong...etc. Williams creativity is what excites me. Who knows...you might see someone like Michael Sam line up as a LB just to rush the passer...or even one of out starting DEs.

You have a much more active imagination than i do when it comes to that. I don't see Laurinaitis coming off he field for any reason, other than injury.
 

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Coach has Dunbar been blitzing alot in practice?
EVERYONE has been blitzing alot.

Which is part of the reason that the DBs have been so exposed so often. Considering they run the play all the way thru, there are plenty of times the pass ends up competed, and often for a big play, when if they were playing live, it would end in a sack.
 

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You have a much more active imagination than i do when it comes to that. I don't see Laurinaitis coming off he field for any reason, other than injury.
Haha...yeah, you might be right.
 

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At 6'9 he can't help but stand out. Now his play at OT has been hit and miss. Michale Sam and had his way more often than not coming off the edge. But like a few of the other guys in camp, if he does get his hands on you he can be effective.

To add to this: I like him too, and hes actually 6' 8 1/4" about 318-320 but like I was told by someone close to the team "O line is gonna not do well consistently vs. Dline in shirts and helmets. They will do better in shells, and alot better in pads.
So Even though the entire O line has not looked good to the casual observer, I think youll have a better perspective after we see them play a few pre season games.
I was told that both Hooey, and Barrett have progressed well from last year. hooey had some nice blocks in the run game last few days. Schotty pointed him out on one play as he took out two guys on one block.
Like Coach O has said he's a guy who could make the 53 ?, but also be placed on the P squad again. And I agree with that from where we are at right now.
 

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It wasn't only a knee issue. He also had a staph infection. Which are physically draining and sometimes deadly.

Absolutely ! Sometimes needing several intense cleanings of the infected area that require surgical procedure. This along with IV Bactrum treatments can kick the tar out of even these guys.
 

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For CoachO...

Excellent discussion of the pros and cons of Armstrong vs Dunbar.

I think your comment regarding GW's conversion from left/right OLB to strong/weak is a powerful one. It's a win-win from where I'm sitting. Especially given our LB personnel. I predict a significant improvement on D from this simple change alone.

Coach, you commented in an earlier report that Steward seemed to have caught the eye of the coaches. You mentioned that his reps were increased beyond previous expectations. Very revealing, huh?

My question is whether you have noticed a continuation of extra Steward attention? And, if so, do you have any personal observations of his potential?

Heck, we might be focusing on the wrong backup LB here, huh?
 

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For CoachO...

Excellent discussion of the pros and cons of Armstrong vs Dunbar.

I think your comment regarding GW's conversion from left/right OLB to strong/weak is a powerful one. It's a win-win from where I'm sitting. Especially given our LB personnel. I predict a significant improvement on D from this simple change alone.

Coach, you commented in an earlier report that Steward seemed to have caught the eye of the coaches. You mentioned that his reps were increased beyond previous expectations. Very revealing, huh?

My question is whether you have noticed a continuation of extra Steward attention? And, if so, do you have any personal observations of his potential?

Heck, we might be focusing on the wrong backup LB here, huh?
Phillip Steward has consistently taken all the reps with the 2nd unit at the SLB spot. He looks like he has a good understanding of the scheme, and is one of the guys that Greg Willliams is continually complimenting in 7 on 7 drills for his ability to read coverages and for closing on the check downs. This is something that Williams is really focused on in these drills with all of the LBs and Safeties.

The other telling thing to me, is Steward has found his way on 1st unit Special Teams. Specifically both coverage units. To me, this is a huge sign when you start putting the list together on who is likely to fill the back end roster spots.
 

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@CoachO can you give anymore inside on the RB competition? I like the UDFA T.Watts, he seems to have nice moves and decent speed, does he have a shot? And will C.Reynolds make the squad this year? And I keep seeing that Cunningham is ahead of Mason at the moment, is Mason looking impressive enough to overtake Cunningham as the #2 RB? Also what are your thoughts on Cunningham in this years TC? And where does Pead stand now with the broken hand injury? Will he still make the team if he doesn't continue with TC?
 

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Coach.... as a Rams fan stuck here in western new york... ( Buffalo Bills country ( Coach Waffle's home town)) I want to tell you how thankful I am for your reports as well as those of hammer and ram-on just to name a few.....I really enjoy them and am very very jealous because I can not attend. .. lol anyway....I was wondering how you feel Barksdale is doing in pass blocking against Long? Is it win some lose some? What is your opinion on Barksdale? What have you seen? Again thank you..... ;)
 

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@CoachO can you give anymore inside on the RB competition? I like the UDFA T.Watts, he seems to have nice moves and decent speed, does he have a shot? And will C.Reynolds make the squad this year? And I keep seeing that Cunningham is ahead of Mason at the moment, is Mason looking impressive enough to overtake Cunningham as the #2 RB? Also what are your thoughts on Cunningham in this years TC? And where does Pead stand now with the broken hand injury? Will he still make the team if he doesn't continue with TC?

Its still very early to get a real read on how this will shake out. That being said, I will give you my take on each of the RBs and where I think they stand at this point in camp.

Zac Stacy: has showed that he has every intention on holding on to the starting job. I was fortunate to attend one of the OTAs, and Coach Fisher came in after practice and spoke to the group of fans who were there that day. He mentioned that Stacy had a slight bicep strain and was forced to sit out the second half of practice. He strained his bicep earlier in the day in the weight room, lifting 500 lbs. No misprint,,, FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS.

He looks quick and decisive in his cuts, and as long as he holds up physically, should be the guy garnering the bulk of the carries.

Bennie Cunningham: He looks like he came into camp bigger and in much better shape, fully recovered from his 2013 pre-camp injuries. He is in the mix, sharing carries with Mason and Pead (prior to his injury) with 1st and 2nd units. Working on many of the Special Teams, so that bodes well for him.

Isaiah Pead: While I realize I am in the minority here, I think Pead is on this team in 2014. He still is the best pass blocker on the roster, adn has demonstrated his ability as a receiving threat already. He made a play In Sunday's camp that none of the other RBs are capable of making IMO. Running to the flat on a swing pass, he was able to make a shoe string catch while running full speed, and had the presence of mind to see the LB (Bates) closing fast. He made him miss with a jump cut and turned what should have been a incomplete pass, or a 5 yard loss, into a 10 yard gain. It was one of those WOW plays that made me look at Hammer and he just shook his head.

He is still being included on all of the core Special Teams, and (don't shoot the messenger here) that includes fielding kicks. How does his hand injury impact his status? Too soon to tell. IF they are in fact looking for a reason to cut him, this could provide that. But as I said, I think he makes the roster and dresses on Sunday.

Tre Mason: he has been included in the mix as well, although MOST of his reps have come with the 2nd unit thus far. But when he has managed to sneak on to the 1st unit he has shown the flashes that was seen in his college days at Auburn. Has shown to be pretty good as a pass catcher. My biggest concern, and what may separate him from Cunningham and Pead, is his being over matched in pass blocking. Even if the desire is there, he is 5'8 (looks smaller) and 208. He has very little experience to start, and just from a physical stand point, I have my doubts he will ever be proficient in that area.

Trey Watts: He is the biggest RB in camp, and has shown flashes when he has gotten opportunities in the running game. He has busted off a couple of bog runs, albeit against 3rd unit defense that includes the likes of Pat Schiller, Lawrence Wilson and Etienne Sabino at LB. He isn't a very good route runner and seems unsure of himself in the passing game. Don't see him showing up on any of the 1st or 2nd units of Special Teams, so I would say he has a pretty big hurdle to over come to earn a roster spot.

Chase Reynolds: While he is included in the 3rd unit rotation at RB, and getting his share of carries, its whats happening on Special Teams that might speak the loudest about his job security. Especially on the Punt Coverage unit, he is NOT on either the 1st or 2nd unit. While a mainstay last year on ALL ST, this might be a sign that they have finally feel they can replace him with someone who doesn't require a ST only roster spot.

Some factors that may determine who is active on Game day:

I am just spit balling here, and its way too premature to state with any real conviction, but I think the KO return job may go a long way into determining who and how many RBs are on the active roster on Sunday. They haven't worked on any of the Kickoff Return stuff yet, but I would expect that both Bennie Cunningham and Tre Mason being given a chance to win that job. It may come down to which of them wins the job as to who dresses and who is the odd man out.

I just don't see them BOTH dressing. They are too similar in what they bring to the table, so that could be the determining factor.

I fully expect Pead to be there (no shock to anyone who knows my feeling on him) and of course Stacy. Doubtful that dress all 4 of them.