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Who's winning on that front?

Shelton has won me over as the starting Center... I think keeping either Brewer or Aboushi is a good idea.. and I like the idea of Skura as a backup C/G.

Hoecht is just a guy I want on the team. A real fighter and a guy you want on the roster. Not a starter.. but a guy you feel good about putting on the field.

I haven't seen enough from Williams for me to worry about losing him.. Same with Ernest Brown.. but right now, at least one of them comes back.

Russ Yeast doesn't look lost when he plays. Smaller.. but so was Rodney McLeod. Might be someone we see step up this offseason.
 
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I agree on everything except Skura. He has been ok in run game I think but he is a liability in pass pro. All though been better with Shelton next to him which emphasizes the point of him over Allen at the moment. But we also haven’t played against any great interior penetrators the last several weeks.
 
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Psycho_X said:
I agree on everything except Skura. He has been ok in run game I think but he is a liability in pass pro. All though been better with Shelton next to him which emphasizes the point of him over Allen at the moment. But we also haven’t played against any great interior penetrators the last several weeks.
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What do you think about him as your backup Center/4th guard?
 
Kupped said:
Who's winning on that front?

Shelton has won me over as the starting Center... I think keeping either Brewer or Aboushi is a good idea.. and I like the idea of Skura as a backup C/G.

Hoecht is just a guy I want on the team. A real fighter and a guy you want on the roster. Not a starter.. but a guy you feel good about putting on the field.

I haven't seen enough from Williams for me to worry about losing him.. Same with Ernest Brown.. but right now, at least one of them comes back.

Russ Yeast doesn't look lost when he plays. Smaller.. but so was Rodney McLeod. Might be someone we see step up this offseason.
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If I'm considering keeping one of the street FAs, it's Ty Nsekhe as a swing OT. Looking at our roster next year, we have the following OLs returning:
LT Joe Noteboom (hopefully in time for the start of the year)
RT Rob Havenstein
OG/C Coleman Shelton
C Brian Allen (no real upside to cutting him)
OG/OT Alaric Jackson
OG Logan Bruss
OG/OT Tremayne Anchrum

That's 7 spots. Teams generally only carry 9 OLs. I'd draft at least one guy, so that's 8 spots (at a minimum). If we're trying to fill that last spot, I'd rather have Nsekhe in case Noteboom and Jackson have set backs than Skura or Brewer. However, if I were the Rams, I'd also consider 49ers utility OL Daniel Brunskill in FA. He has proven to be a serviceable LT when needed and can be a solid starter on the interior.

On the DL, I like Hoecht a lot and think he could be a starter at 5-Tech for us next year.
 
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jrry32 said:
If I'm considering keeping one of the street FAs, it's Ty Nsekhe as a swing OT. Looking at our roster next year, we have the following OLs returning:
LT Joe Noteboom (hopefully in time for the start of the year)
RT Rob Havenstein
OG/C Coleman Shelton
C Brian Allen (no real upside to cutting him)
OG/OT Alaric Jackson
OG Logan Bruss
OG/OT Tremayne Anchrum

That's 7 spots. Teams generally only carry 9 OLs. I'd draft at least one guy, so that's 8 spots (at a minimum). If we're trying to fill that last spot, I'd rather have Nsekhe in case Noteboom and Jackson have set backs than Skura or Brewer. However, if I were the Rams, I'd also consider 49ers utility OL Daniel Brunskill in FA. He has proven to be a serviceable LT when needed and can be a solid starter on the interior.

On the DL, I like Hoecht a lot and think he could be a starter at 5-Tech for us next year.
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I'm not sure which way they go with Noteboom. Jourdan seems to think that there's a chance he's the starting left guard next season with Jackson at LT.
If you had those two on the roster.. plus Nsekhe.. I think you're covered at LT in most reasonable scenarios.
I'd cut Allen, post June 1 to save some $$. I just think he's a wasted roster spot, at this point, because he's so physically unreliable.

Brewer is dirt cheap and has been in the system and looks like he can play at a reasonable level. I'm definitely brining him back.
Skura is a maybe.. as I said.. he'd be my 4th guard and backup center. I'm totally open to that being some other player.

I'm praying Bruss was just slow getting up to speed and is a player... I like what I saw from Anchrum in preseason.. A lot.

What is Arcuri? I don't know yet. But, he wasn't a catastrophe... but I think he's slow out of his set. Does someone like Zachary Taylor figure in?

Just a ton of questions I don't have enough insight to feel like I could give a good answer.
 
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What do you think about him as your backup Center/4th guard?
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He has benefit of familiarity at least but I don’t see him better than most Joe Schmoes we could pick up off street. Certainly don’t mind bringing back to camp for competition and let chips fall where they may.
 
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jrry32 said:
If I'm considering keeping one of the street FAs, it's Ty Nsekhe as a swing OT. Looking at our roster next year, we have the following OLs returning:
LT Joe Noteboom (hopefully in time for the start of the year)
RT Rob Havenstein
OG/C Coleman Shelton
C Brian Allen (no real upside to cutting him)
OG/OT Alaric Jackson
OG Logan Bruss
OG/OT Tremayne Anchrum

That's 7 spots. Teams generally only carry 9 OLs. I'd draft at least one guy, so that's 8 spots (at a minimum). If we're trying to fill that last spot, I'd rather have Nsekhe in case Noteboom and Jackson have set backs than Skura or Brewer. However, if I were the Rams, I'd also consider 49ers utility OL Daniel Brunskill in FA. He has proven to be a serviceable LT when needed and can be a solid starter on the interior.

On the DL, I like Hoecht a lot and think he could be a starter at 5-Tech for us next year.
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I am not keeping either Sakura or Abushi. We need to find a stud FA LG or LT if one exists.
 
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I am not keeping either Sakura or Abushi. We need to find a stud FA LG or LT if one exists.
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They won't be starters for 2013, just deep depth. Skura & Aboushi may just land on the practice squad again.
 
Skura is another Blythe, i.e. JAG. Hoecht is being played out of position. Up until just the last few games he was played where he belongs at 3T. He's a good rotational interior DLineman. This is why I think Snead needs to grab Deforest Buckner to play 3T and move AD to DE for his last year. Buckner is one of the best interior Dlinemen in the NFL. He would bring speed and power.

It was clear to me Bobby Brown isn't ready and may never be ready. Ernest Brown is like Bobby and it's time to move on from both. With Murchison they don't need Bobby. Murchison, clearly can't beat a double team which is why he isn't the answer as a starter at 3T either. Hill showed why they released him the first time.

On the OL, Brewer looks promising, and Bruss could play LG, replacing the JAG Skura. But if they are going to keep Havenstein one more year (IMO a mistake) then I would rather see Jackson at LG and Noteboom at his LT position assuming he can return to form (which is TBD since not everyone can). Havenstein has shown he's consistently overmatched by speed and power. In today's NFL, you need two good OTs as it's not like it used to be in the old days. Today teams have 2 good edges that they will flip sides for matchup reasons. The Rams have two good OTs in Noteboom and Jackson. People are down on Noteboom because they watched him play while hurt. When he's healthy he's a very good LT (according to both Whitworth and Havenstein). Since they are locked into Havenstein until 2024 because of dead cap, they should play Jackson at LG and Noteboom at LT. With Shelton at C and Allen at RG the OL could be better than the one they won the Super Bowl with.

This will give them depth with Swings of OT Nsekhe, OG Bruss, OG Brewer, OG/OT Thomas.

What the Charger game showed was the good and the bad of Mayfield. It brought him down to earth and hopefully showed him how much he would benefit by being Stafford's backup for at least a year. As I said in another post. Baker is good and has made huge progress in his development. But he's a system QB (progression) and his decision making and mechanics breakdown under pressure. Both of these issues can be rectified by good coaching focused on these areas. Case in point the pass he missed to a wide open Akers along the sideline. Just a slightly better throw probably would have been a TD. I still think if he stays even one year as a backup he could take that next step up and be a very good QB. His ceiling could be as an elite QB but right now he's a tier two QB. Good enough to be competitive but not a consistent championship level QB.

All I'm pointing out is that there aren't as many holes in this roster as people think. This roster is a Super Bowl roster if used correctly. Such as playing Ramsey, Rochell and Durant as their starting 3 CBs. Enough of this shit with JAG players like Hill, and Kendrick, and marginal players like David Long. I'd rather have Grant Haley as a depth CB than David Long.

Cole Toner is a protected veteran OG originally a 5th round pick in 2016. But he didn't see the field until 2020 with the Chargers where he logged 295 game snaps and starting 3 games. In 2021 he was with Houston playing 68 snaps in one start. The Charger OL in 2020 wasn't good and Toner graded out poorly. His one game in Houston wasn't bad but wasn't good enough for them to keep him. The Rams must see something in him to keep him as a protected player on their PS. As of now he projects as a depth player next year.
 
If we could add Daniel Brunskill in FA, I would be comfortable on holding off on drafting an OL until 6/7/UDFA. Plug Brunskill in at one guard slot, move Shelton to center. We improve our starting unit and solidify our depth in one move as Allen becomes a back-up for a year.
IMO, Noteboom's return to health is a big key. Jackson looked great, but we'll need someone ready if Noteboom isn't available. Thus, I do like the Neshke as the 9th guy idea.
Skura/Aboushi belong on practice squads in today's NFL, imo.
 
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I think the success of the line in 2023 is predicated on the play of Bruss. Sort of the forgotten man, if he can come up big while they add another contributor from the draft or FA/Trade, it could really turn the whole thing around
 
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I wouldn't rule out a trade for Noteboom. I think Havenstein is the only lock on the Line for next season, then again a trade there is possible too. I just think the Rams go into the off season needing to rethink who is starting next season on the Offensive Line. We don't know who is getting released on other teams at this point, but I think a major upgrade here is needed and will be a focus of Snead. 2nd round pick could be used here, and then a couple free agents similar to the 2017 off season when Whitworth and Sullivan were added. I don't expect them to go status quo and hope they can hold it together. They were physically over matched to start the year when they were all available.
 
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I wouldn't rule out a trade for Noteboom.
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It would have to be something of value though since it wouldnt save any cap space. Id rather have Boom as a swing OT over an extra 6th or 7th round pick
 
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On the OL, Brewer looks promising, and Bruss could play LG, replacing the JAG Skura. But if they are going to keep Havenstein one more year (IMO a mistake) then I would rather see Jackson at LG and Noteboom at his LT position assuming he can return to form (which is TBD since not everyone can). Havenstein has shown he's consistently overmatched by speed and power. In today's NFL, you need two good OTs as it's not like it used to be in the old days. Today teams have 2 good edges that they will flip sides for matchup reasons. The Rams have two good OTs in Noteboom and Jackson. People are down on Noteboom because they watched him play while hurt. When he's healthy he's a very good LT (according to both Whitworth and Havenstein). Since they are locked into Havenstein until 2024 because of dead cap, they should play Jackson at LG and Noteboom at LT. With Shelton at C and Allen at RG the OL could be better than the one they won the Super Bowl with.
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I think it's highly unlikely the light would come on for any of those guys, much less all four. Noteboom has never shown the run blocking we need. Our SB team had Whit and Corbett in the mix, both unreplaced. I think Anchrum is more likely to turn into something, and hopefully Jackson can return full strength. Our best recent move might be getting Nsekhe in here--that settles down LT a bit.

We need to bite whatever bullet and bring in a legit G or C this offseason, and maybe draft a C with our first pick. Niners D-line is no joke. We need to give Staff a running game that Ds have to account for.
 
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It would have to be something of value though since it wouldnt save any cap space. Id rather have Boom as a swing OT over an extra 6th or 7th round pick
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He won’t be a swing tackle,but I agree. Noteboom is a LT only.Hiw The Rams address the tackle position will be interesting. I just don’t like counting on the draft,unless The Rams know there is a value player they want later in the draft,but those are usually development players.

AJ Arcuri & Bruss will have to be counted on as depth next season.
They will be on the 90 man roster.
 
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I don't think we are that far off from rebounding to the top tier of the NFL, but I disagree on the OL. Most so far seem to want to keep what we have. This current combo is not good enough especially against the elite DL teams.

OFf-SEASON TO DO LIST:

Tied for First - must get a new LT someone at Whit level or better. We also need an upgrade at LG. Move Shelton to Center try Brewer or Bruss at RG and Rob at RT.

We have a pocket passer who MUST be protected and when protected Stafford will kill his opponents. When looking over his shoulder, because the OL is shoddy or the pocket is constantly collapsing is a recipe for disaster.

The hardest part is finding that LT and it needs to come from FA imo not sure who that is. The LG is a draftee or FA.

Tied for First - must is a major upgrade at OLB to work with Floyd. This can come from our 1st draft pick this off-season the draft seems to line up well for us here.

Tied for First - Must fire Morris and get a better DC. I keep pointing to the Giants a team with very little yet when Daboll and Martindale came in this was a completely different team. There defense was mediocre and they let their best CB (Bradbury) go. Martindale has worked wonders with a no name defense.

Third - we must get a better #2 CB.

Fourth - a better back up QB not Mayfield we can find better than Wolford or Perkins for cheap. We did it with Bortles.

Fifth - try to resign OBJ, Gaines, Gay, Powell, AShawn - if too expensive all can go.

Sixth - restructuring a couple deals to free up some cash, combined with NFL going up to maybe 220m we should be able help us do what we need.

We do these things and most are possible we will be back on top. At a minimum we need a major upgrade at LT, LG, OLB.
 
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