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WEEK 11: LA Rams VS Minnesota Vikings Discussion
The reason I think the Rams are more of a threat than the Eagles, Todd Gurley. Vikings need to contain him (rushing and receiving) to stay in this game.
Looks like Griffen will be 100% for this game (heard it was his decision to sit out of the Redskins game). Gonna need him to disrupt the Rams screen game.
Big test for the defense. Big test for the OL. Should be a fun game to watch.
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Sendejo missing practice with a groin.
Remmers, Sirles, Griffen are back.
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http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=11
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Hmmm. . Anthony Harris limited with a hamstring. He's been Sendejo's understudy. Not good. Kearse would be a steeper downgrade.
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Concerning, especially with the vertical threat of the Rams.
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Rams are definitely a tall order this year. Solid all-around team that scores a lot, doesn't give up many points, and can run and pass effectively on offense. The main chink in their armor, if they have a weakness, might be their run defense. Vikes have been effective running the ball this year, so that might be a way to keep the pace down a bit if the Rams come out hot.
If the Vikes want that beautiful new stadium to host as many postseason games as possible this year, this is a game they have to win.
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https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/4360-week-11-rams-7-2-at-vikings-7-2/?page=3
Week 11: Rams (7-2) at VIKINGS (7-2)
Ultimately, Shurmur has done a fine job with the offense and is managing to get a lot out of Keenum. We've given up very few sacks, most of them in the first half of the Bears game when Bradford should have been out. The prospect of Teddy in this offense is exciting, I want to see it sooner than later; even if it's not smooth at first.
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Unfortunately for you, Aaron Donald is hungry, and I told him that Case Keenum has a snickers hidden somewhere on his person. - jrry32
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You act as if Linval Joseph didn't already sniff that Snickers bar out yet...geez! Haha
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View: https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/930487492494622721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.footballsfuture.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Feric_j_thompson%2Fstatus%2F930487492494622721
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But was every Viking successful in their battle with the ram to acquire said headgear?
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http://www.vikings.com/news/article...80f-53e7-4750-ac23-8d745b405827?sf172441348=1
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Zimmer is displeased with those late game Ints last week. Keenum needs to get his TD/Int ratio up. Unfortunately even with Keenum's success, he's below a 2:1 ratio the past month. How much can he actually improve on that? Just seems to be who Keenum is.
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Definitely up to Case ultimately, but I think he has built up a sufficient amount of stock. The ints were bad, but still his overall stock (body of work) meant he is still this starter. I don't think Case "needs" to get his TD/Int ratio up.
If he is doing that good enough to win games or put us in position to win games (even if we lost) that could be sufficient enough to continue as the starter. Do we think Zimmer values a Case TD pass to Rudolph from the 5 yard line, more then Case getting us to the 5 yard line and him handing it off to Murray who runs it in for a TD? Likely not.
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Keenum: “That’s how I’m treating it, just another game. I know a lot of those guys, but for me, this week, it’s business as usual, and business as usual is me doing my job. My job, as I’ve told you guys many times, is to put this team in the best possible situation to win football games — that’s moving the ball, getting first downs, that’s getting the ball in the end zone and scoring points.
They’re creating a lot of turnovers, and obviously their front is one of the best in the league. I’ve been around it firsthand, so I know exactly how good those guys are.We’ve got our work cut out for us. I’m excited because it’s a huge challenge.”
Kyle Rudolph: "I think any time you play against a former team you’ll be motivated to play well. I think that’s kind of a given. Knowing Case, I think he’s more motivated to beat a team that’s 7-2 and get us to 8-2.”
http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Keenum-Taking-Business-as-Usual-Approach-for-Rams/4c4f0a68-e2ec-4838-97f8-d4f58ba05663?sf172856535=1
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I’d like to point out that against Washington, McVay said he was too conservative in that game which put the offense in bad situations throughout the game. Yes Seattle held the Rams to 10pts but the Rams move the ball up and down the field all day they just shot themselves in the foot a lot in the redzone. Gurley fumbled (which I thought was a bad call) into the endzone so that’s 7pts missed. Zeurlein missed his only FG of the season in that game so that’s 3pts missed.
Kupp dropped the GW td so that’s 7pts missed. So again the Rams scored 10pts against Seattle but 17pts the Rams should’ve had that would’ve had the Rams scoring 27pts and more than likely coming away with a victory. Lastly it was planned for the Rams to run a lot against the Jags. Goff only threw the ball 22 times. That was his fewest pass attempts all season long.
The key stat for Goff in that game was ZERO turnovers. Why? Because the Jags feast off takeaways and coming off a game where the intercepted Big Ben 5 times, it was more impressive Goff didn’t turn the ball over. So I’ll take the 124yds passing for no turnovers and coming away with a win.
As for this Vikings game, it’s gonna come down to the trenches. Both teams have playmakers at the skill positions on offense and defense. Rams Oline vs Vikings DLine. Rams DLine vs Vikings Oline. To me whoever wins those battles should win the game.
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So does does Rhodes blanket Watkins or Woods? I’m guessing Woods, but i understand Watkins also
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I’d put him on Watkins and let the two be physical with each other.
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Only issue with that is that we aren’t shutting down their leader in targets.
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I don't think we need Rhodes to shadow anyone. I think we might be better off mixing up coverage, keep Goff guessing. Woods doesn't scare me anymore than Watkins does, seems like a pretty even matchup.
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I agree. Neither WR, in the grand scheme of things, really scare me. There's a reason that Buffalo was willing to get rid of both.
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I don't agree with this line of thinking. A bad scheme can make actual players look much worse than they are and poor management can make poor decisions.
Should defenses have gone into 2007 saying "there's a reason Oakland let Randy Moss go, we don't need to shadow him"?
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I may have generalized a bit, but it's a little overboard to lump Woods and Watkins in with Moss.
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I think Zimmer is smart enough to realize that Woods has been the better WR. Just like how we made the switch this year to shadowing Davante Adams instead of Jordy Nelson, I believe Xavier Rhodes will shadow Robert Woods instead of Sammy Watkins.
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For the first time in three years, John Sullivan is a regular NFL starting center. After starting all 16 games with the Vikings in 2014, Sullivan missed the 2015 season because of a back injury and was released in August 2016. He played in 13 games last season for Washington, but started just one. Now with the Rams, Sullivan has started all nine games this season. Rams coach Sean McVay made him a priority to sign after working with Sullivan as Washington’s offensive coordinator.
McVay: “Probably one of the smartest players I’ve been around, if not the smartest, in terms of just his overall understanding. You feel like you’re communicating with a coach when you talk to him.”
http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/15/vikings-everson-griffen-vows-to-return-andrew-sendejo-misses-practice/
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Pre-snap Sullivan = Elite NFL center
Post- snap Sullivan = Average NFL center
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Really important game for playoff seeding. Something about this game seems like the classic blowout that crushes Vikings fans hopes and dreams, if only for a short time. Much like at home against the Seahawks in 2015. But this isn't an ordinary Vikings team, maybe they grab a win here.
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I wonder if the Rams will use Tavon Austin in the same manner that the Redskins used Chris Thompson against us.
Not that Thompson had such a big day, but more so the Rams looking to exploit a matchup.
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The rams offense is highly predicated on gimmick or trick plays. I haven't watched any of their games this year, so I can't confirm 100%. But if true, it's going to be more about being in our positions, and not letting them force us to beat ourselves. We are going to have to play very smart against them, and at home, I fully expect us too.
WEEK 11: LA Rams VS Minnesota Vikings Discussion
The reason I think the Rams are more of a threat than the Eagles, Todd Gurley. Vikings need to contain him (rushing and receiving) to stay in this game.
Looks like Griffen will be 100% for this game (heard it was his decision to sit out of the Redskins game). Gonna need him to disrupt the Rams screen game.
Big test for the defense. Big test for the OL. Should be a fun game to watch.
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Sendejo missing practice with a groin.
Remmers, Sirles, Griffen are back.
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http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=11
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Hmmm. . Anthony Harris limited with a hamstring. He's been Sendejo's understudy. Not good. Kearse would be a steeper downgrade.
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Concerning, especially with the vertical threat of the Rams.
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Rams are definitely a tall order this year. Solid all-around team that scores a lot, doesn't give up many points, and can run and pass effectively on offense. The main chink in their armor, if they have a weakness, might be their run defense. Vikes have been effective running the ball this year, so that might be a way to keep the pace down a bit if the Rams come out hot.
If the Vikes want that beautiful new stadium to host as many postseason games as possible this year, this is a game they have to win.
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https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/4360-week-11-rams-7-2-at-vikings-7-2/?page=3
Week 11: Rams (7-2) at VIKINGS (7-2)
Ultimately, Shurmur has done a fine job with the offense and is managing to get a lot out of Keenum. We've given up very few sacks, most of them in the first half of the Bears game when Bradford should have been out. The prospect of Teddy in this offense is exciting, I want to see it sooner than later; even if it's not smooth at first.
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Unfortunately for you, Aaron Donald is hungry, and I told him that Case Keenum has a snickers hidden somewhere on his person. - jrry32
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You act as if Linval Joseph didn't already sniff that Snickers bar out yet...geez! Haha
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View: https://twitter.com/eric_j_thompson/status/930487492494622721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.footballsfuture.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Feric_j_thompson%2Fstatus%2F930487492494622721
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But was every Viking successful in their battle with the ram to acquire said headgear?
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http://www.vikings.com/news/article...80f-53e7-4750-ac23-8d745b405827?sf172441348=1
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Zimmer is displeased with those late game Ints last week. Keenum needs to get his TD/Int ratio up. Unfortunately even with Keenum's success, he's below a 2:1 ratio the past month. How much can he actually improve on that? Just seems to be who Keenum is.
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Definitely up to Case ultimately, but I think he has built up a sufficient amount of stock. The ints were bad, but still his overall stock (body of work) meant he is still this starter. I don't think Case "needs" to get his TD/Int ratio up.
If he is doing that good enough to win games or put us in position to win games (even if we lost) that could be sufficient enough to continue as the starter. Do we think Zimmer values a Case TD pass to Rudolph from the 5 yard line, more then Case getting us to the 5 yard line and him handing it off to Murray who runs it in for a TD? Likely not.
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Keenum: “That’s how I’m treating it, just another game. I know a lot of those guys, but for me, this week, it’s business as usual, and business as usual is me doing my job. My job, as I’ve told you guys many times, is to put this team in the best possible situation to win football games — that’s moving the ball, getting first downs, that’s getting the ball in the end zone and scoring points.
They’re creating a lot of turnovers, and obviously their front is one of the best in the league. I’ve been around it firsthand, so I know exactly how good those guys are.We’ve got our work cut out for us. I’m excited because it’s a huge challenge.”
Kyle Rudolph: "I think any time you play against a former team you’ll be motivated to play well. I think that’s kind of a given. Knowing Case, I think he’s more motivated to beat a team that’s 7-2 and get us to 8-2.”
http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Keenum-Taking-Business-as-Usual-Approach-for-Rams/4c4f0a68-e2ec-4838-97f8-d4f58ba05663?sf172856535=1
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I’d like to point out that against Washington, McVay said he was too conservative in that game which put the offense in bad situations throughout the game. Yes Seattle held the Rams to 10pts but the Rams move the ball up and down the field all day they just shot themselves in the foot a lot in the redzone. Gurley fumbled (which I thought was a bad call) into the endzone so that’s 7pts missed. Zeurlein missed his only FG of the season in that game so that’s 3pts missed.
Kupp dropped the GW td so that’s 7pts missed. So again the Rams scored 10pts against Seattle but 17pts the Rams should’ve had that would’ve had the Rams scoring 27pts and more than likely coming away with a victory. Lastly it was planned for the Rams to run a lot against the Jags. Goff only threw the ball 22 times. That was his fewest pass attempts all season long.
The key stat for Goff in that game was ZERO turnovers. Why? Because the Jags feast off takeaways and coming off a game where the intercepted Big Ben 5 times, it was more impressive Goff didn’t turn the ball over. So I’ll take the 124yds passing for no turnovers and coming away with a win.
As for this Vikings game, it’s gonna come down to the trenches. Both teams have playmakers at the skill positions on offense and defense. Rams Oline vs Vikings DLine. Rams DLine vs Vikings Oline. To me whoever wins those battles should win the game.
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So does does Rhodes blanket Watkins or Woods? I’m guessing Woods, but i understand Watkins also
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I’d put him on Watkins and let the two be physical with each other.
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Only issue with that is that we aren’t shutting down their leader in targets.
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I don't think we need Rhodes to shadow anyone. I think we might be better off mixing up coverage, keep Goff guessing. Woods doesn't scare me anymore than Watkins does, seems like a pretty even matchup.
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I agree. Neither WR, in the grand scheme of things, really scare me. There's a reason that Buffalo was willing to get rid of both.
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I don't agree with this line of thinking. A bad scheme can make actual players look much worse than they are and poor management can make poor decisions.
Should defenses have gone into 2007 saying "there's a reason Oakland let Randy Moss go, we don't need to shadow him"?
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I may have generalized a bit, but it's a little overboard to lump Woods and Watkins in with Moss.
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I think Zimmer is smart enough to realize that Woods has been the better WR. Just like how we made the switch this year to shadowing Davante Adams instead of Jordy Nelson, I believe Xavier Rhodes will shadow Robert Woods instead of Sammy Watkins.
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For the first time in three years, John Sullivan is a regular NFL starting center. After starting all 16 games with the Vikings in 2014, Sullivan missed the 2015 season because of a back injury and was released in August 2016. He played in 13 games last season for Washington, but started just one. Now with the Rams, Sullivan has started all nine games this season. Rams coach Sean McVay made him a priority to sign after working with Sullivan as Washington’s offensive coordinator.
McVay: “Probably one of the smartest players I’ve been around, if not the smartest, in terms of just his overall understanding. You feel like you’re communicating with a coach when you talk to him.”
http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/15/vikings-everson-griffen-vows-to-return-andrew-sendejo-misses-practice/
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Pre-snap Sullivan = Elite NFL center
Post- snap Sullivan = Average NFL center
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Really important game for playoff seeding. Something about this game seems like the classic blowout that crushes Vikings fans hopes and dreams, if only for a short time. Much like at home against the Seahawks in 2015. But this isn't an ordinary Vikings team, maybe they grab a win here.
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I wonder if the Rams will use Tavon Austin in the same manner that the Redskins used Chris Thompson against us.
Not that Thompson had such a big day, but more so the Rams looking to exploit a matchup.
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The rams offense is highly predicated on gimmick or trick plays. I haven't watched any of their games this year, so I can't confirm 100%. But if true, it's going to be more about being in our positions, and not letting them force us to beat ourselves. We are going to have to play very smart against them, and at home, I fully expect us too.
