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I feel bad for the loyal fans in Oakland. But the city is the one to blame in all of this. They just did not do enough to try and keep them. My oldest son lives in Hayward and is a big Raiders fan. He told me he'll follow the Raiders as long as Derek Carr is their QB. After that he'll have to wait and see how he feels. We're both from Fresno so Carr is a big deal around here.

Agreed. Both Oakland and San Diego had more than enough time to get the stadiums done. We might not like it as fans, but it's a business and when there's other fan bases hungry for teams it's a supply and demand issue.

STL could have locked the Rams up by honoring the sweetheart deal they used to lure the Rams from LA in the first place. But they scoffed at the $800M in upgrades for the stadium only to turn around and offer a whole new stadium once they saw they played their cards wrong. Had they simply honored that deal Stan would be in STL for the foreseeable future. What comes around goes around.

I know people get real worked up with this stuff so not trying to be a troublemaker here. Just calling it what it is, again, a business. I'm happy for Vegas, and confident that the city is going to keep the Raiders in some good digs for a long time. Development is what we do here and even though I dislike the Raiders I think it's going to be a real nice pairing.
 

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Maybe this will get the ball rolling on a couple new Amtrak rail links to Vegas.

It's coming but it's no Amtrak lol, with LA to SF in 35 minutes!

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It works (sorta)! Model of Elon Musk's super-fast Hyperloop goes from 0-116mph in TWO SECONDS in ground-breaking test
  • Elon Musk outlined Hyperloop in 2013 and said it would travel from Los Angeles to San Francisco in 35 minutes
  • Today's seconds-long demo featured a metal sled gliding at a top speed of 116mph on a 1,000 meter test track
  • But engineers still have a long way to go before building a working system that will eventually run at 700 mph
  • Hyperloop One has raised $80 million in funding and says a full-scale test of its could come by the end of 2016
By Ellie Zolfagharifard and Richard Gray For Dailymail.com

Published: 16:48 EDT, 11 May 2016 | Updated: 02:18 EDT, 12 May 2016

The first public test of the Hyperloop system went off without a hitch today in the Nevada desert.

The seconds-long, outdoor demonstration featured a sled of metal gliding across a 1,000 meter track.

The sled accelerated at 2.5G and reached a top speed of 116mph in two seconds before disappearing into a cloud against the desert landscape.

But engineers still have a long way to go before building the full-scale system envisioned by Elon Musk, that will eventually run at 700mph.

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The seconds-long, outdoor demonstration featured a sled of metal gliding across a 1,000 meter track. The sled accelerated at 2.5G and reached a top speed of 116mph in two seconds before disappearing into a cloud against the desert landscape. But engineers still have a long way to go before building the full-scale system envisioned by Elon Musk, that will eventually run at 700mph

Today's demonstration focused on only one piece of a very challenging design, and was run on traditional rail tracks rather than in semi-vacuum tube to reduce air resistance.

'This is about validating the hardware and software,' said Hyperloop One cofounder and chief technology officer Brogan BamBrogan.

'By the end of the year hopefully we'll have a full test, with the sled in a tube accelerating with our custom propulsion.'

The sled bracketed to the rail was slung into motion using magnetic force generated by engines referred to as 'stators' set in a line at the start of the track.

Eventually the sled, which will evolve into a chassis of sorts for a pod, will accelerate to more than 400mph in a few seconds, according to BamBrogan.

'This is a significant moment for us as a team,' Hyperloop co-founder Shervin Pishevar said to an invitation-only crowd seated in grandstand seats set up opposite the length of electrified track.

'We are standing on hallowed ground for us; the team has worked incredibly hard to get to what we call our Kitty Hawk preview.'

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Today's demonstration focused on one piece of a very challenging design, and was run on traditional rail tracks. 'This is about validating the hardware and software,' said Hyperloop One cofounder and chief technology officer Brogan BamBrogan. 'By the end of the year hopefully we'll have a full test, with the sled in a tube accelerating with our custom propulsion'

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The sled bracketed to the rail was slung into motion using magnetic force generated by engines referred to as 'stators' set in a line at the start of the track. Eventually the sled, which will evolve into a chassis for a pod, will accelerate to more than 400mph in a few seconds

Pishevar had referred to a 'Kitty Hawk' moment previously - but said that this test wasn't it.

The US town of Kitty Hawk in North Carolina went down in history as the locale where the Wright brothers made the first successful flight of a powered plane in 1903.

The test under the Nevada desert sun was a step in developing a propulsion system that would give super high-speed motion to passenger or cargo pods gliding above magnetically charged rails enclosed in tubes.

This 'fifth mode of travel', as Musk calls it, could eventually take passengers the 380 miles (610km) from LA to San Francisco in 30 minutes - half the time it takes a plane.

The Paypal founder and boss of SpaceX and Tesla Motors, outlined his futuristic idea in 2013.

He challenged innovators to bring the dream to life and Hyperloop One, one of the startups that picked up the gauntlet, is hosting a 'sneak preview of the future of transportation technology'.

The California-based company says a full-scale, full-speed test of its technology could come by the end of this year.

That test will feature 3-mile track that will use tubes elevated above ground by pylons.

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The possible future of transit zipped along a short track in the desert outside Las Vegas on Wednesday before sliding to a stop in a bed of sand, sending up a tan wave

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The left image is a model of the sled used as part of the test, and the right images shows people walking through a Hyperloop tube after the first test

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People tour the site after a test of a Hyperloop One propulsion system. The startup company opened its test site outside of Las Vegas for the first public demonstration of technology for a super-speed, tube based transportation system

'When you think about passengers traveling on this, you will feel no more acceleration than you would on an airplane taking off,' BamBrogan said after the successful test.

After accelerating, the pods will essentially glide for long distances, making for smooth rides and low power consumption, according to BamBrogan.

'The goal of this test isn't just to move this sled,' he said. 'It is to engineer an acceleration system that is scalable for passengers and freight and to bring the cost down.'

'Today, we are one step closer to making Hyperloop real,' said the start-up's chief executive Rob Lloyd.

'We will be moving cargo in 2019, and we think we will have passengers safely transported by Hyperloop in 2021.'

WHAT IS THE HYPERLOOP?
Hyperloop is a proposed method of travel that would transport people at 745mph (1,200km/h) between distant locations.

It was unveiled by Elon Musk in 2013, who said it could take passengers the 380 miles (610km) from LA to San Francisco in 30 minutes - half the time it takes a plane.

It is essentially a long tube that has had the air removed to create a vacuum.

The tube is suspended off the ground to protect against weather and earthquakes.

Passengers would sit in either individual or group pods, which would then be accelerated with magnets.

Capsules carrying six to eight people would depart every 30 seconds, with tickets costing around $20 (£13) each way.

The cost of building a line from LA to San Francisco has been estimated at $16 billion (£10 billion) - although critics say it would be nearer $100 billion (£65 billion).

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Hyperloop is a proposed method of travel that would transport people at 745mph (1,200km/h) between distant locations. Not everyone is convinced it will become a reality, but today's test is a tentative step towards that goal

Yesterday, Hyperloop One said that it raised $80 million in fresh funding from an array of investors, including GE Ventures and France's SNCF.

'The overwhelming response we've had already confirms what we've always known, that Hyperloop One is at the forefront of a movement to solve one of the planet's most pressing problems,' Hyperloop One co-founder Shervin Pishevar said.

Pishevar and Brogan BamBrogan founded Hyperloop One, originally named Hyperloop Technologies, in 2013 to make real Elon Musk's well-researched vision of a lightning-fast transport system with the potential to transform how people live.

A series of tweets fired from the Twitter account @HyperloopTech teased 'big announcements you don't want to miss' and included a video snippet of construction in the desert.

A caption in the video clip heralded a 'milestone event' that would be live-tweeted from Las Vegas beginning at Tuesday 5pm PDT (Wednesday 1am BST).

Late last year, Hyperloop chief executive Rob Lloyd said in an online post that the team was working toward a 'Kitty Hawk' moment in 2016.

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Hyperloop One CEO Rob Lloyd (center) is flanked by co-founders Shervin Pishevar (left) and Brogan BamBrogan as he speaks following a propulsion open-air test at Hyperloop One in North Las Vegas

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A recovery vehicle and test sled sit on a track after a test of a Hyperloop One propulsion system (left). On the right is a model of a test sled

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The test under the Nevada desert sun was a step in developing a propulsion system that would give super high-speed motion to passenger or cargo pods gliding above magnetically charged rails enclosed in tubes

The post came with word of an agreement to use an industrial park in the city of North Las Vegas to conduct a Propulsion Open Air Test of the blazingly-fast rail system.

Lloyd described it at the time as a very important step on the way to realizing the full potential of Hyperloop Tech.

'Our 'Kitty Hawk' moment refers to our first full system, full scale, full speed test,' Lloyd said.

'This will be over two miles of tube with a controlled environment and inside that tube we will levitate a pod and accelerate it to over 700 miles (1,125 kilometers) per hour.'

He indicated in the post that a full-scale test might not take place until late this year.

Hyperloop did not reveal what components of the system would be shown in a demonstration slated to take place Wednesday at the test site.

The Hyperloop project went live in 2013 on crowdfunding platform JumpStart Fund, which marries crowdsourcing expertise with crowdfunding.

That year, Musk unveiled a design for a super-fast transport system dubbed 'Hyperloop' that could carry passengers in low-pressure tubes at near-supersonic speeds.

The project could connect Los Angeles and San Francisco in 35 minutes in a low-cost alternative to a high-speed rail network planned for California.

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The long-term vision for Hyperloop One -- which is competing with another firm to be the first to bring the system to life -- is to have something that moves at near-supersonic speeds


Futuristic 745mph transportation test track to be unveiled


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Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla Motors, unveiled his designs for a super-fast transport system dubbed 'Hyperloop' that could carry passengers in low-pressure tubes at near-supersonic speeds in 2013

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Hyperloop One, a start-up hoping to revolutionize transport systems, held its first public test of engine components being designed to rocket pods carrying people or cargo through tubes at speeds of 700 miles per hour (1,125km) or more


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The test comes just two days after another company, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies, demonstrated its magnetic levitation technology (concept drawings of its Hyperloop network pictured)

Digital demonstration of Billionaire Elon Musk's 'Hyperloop'


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The first demonstration of Elon Musk's Hyperloop technology is to be tested at a site outside of Las Vegas during a two day event by one of two competing LA-based companies attempting to create the 'transport of the future'. A Tesla Motors concept drawing of the Hyperloop is pictured

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Hyperloop Technologies have been building a test track to demonstrate their version of the transport technology just outside Las Vegas (tubing for the test system pictured)

HYPERLOOP IN EUROPE
Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) met with Slovakian government officials last week to finalise and sign an agreement.

They are looking to build a local Hyperloop system, with the vision of creating future routes connecting Bratislava with Vienna, Austria and Budapest, Hungary.

According to Wired, Mr Ahlborn wants the first stage to be complete by 2020.

But the company has not secured funding yet, and the project is expected to cost $200-300 million (£141 – 211 million).

Musk has said he has no plans to build the system but offered the 'open source design' to allow others to pursue a venture. He's called the system a cross between a 'Concorde, a rail gun and an air hockey table.'

Jon Favreau, director of 'Iron Man,' has referred to Musk as a modern-day 'Renaissance man.'

In an article for Time, Favreau said he and actor Robert Downey Jr. modeled the main character in the movie - 'genius billionaire Tony Stark' - after the Silicon Valley star.

Musk told Time that his goal was to be 'involved in things that are going to make a significant difference to the future of humanity.'

South Africa-born Musk has become one of America's best-known innovators, having launched a payments company, electric carmaker Tesla Motors, SpaceX and SolarCity, which makes solar panels for homes and businesses.

He also operates his own foundation focusing on education, clean energy and children's health.

Meanwhile, another startup that has picked up the Hyperloop gauntlet announced that its design is incorporating passive magnetic levitation originally conceived by a team at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

'Utilizing a passive levitation system will eliminate the need for power stations along the Hyperloop track, which makes this system the most suitable for the application and will keep construction costs low,' Hyperloop Transportation Technologies chief operating officer Bibop Gresta said in a statement.

'From a safety aspect, the system has huge advantages, levitation occurs purely through movement, therefore if any type of power failure occurs, Hyperloop pods would continue to levitate and only after reaching minimal speeds touch the ground.'

After Musk published a white paper describing a futuristic mode of super high-speed rail transit, Hyperloop Transportation 'rose to the challenge,' it said.

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Early designs for the Hyperloop (pictured) show pods that can carry up to 16 passengers that levitate with the help of magnets. Elon Musk has said by using the pods in vacuum tubes, the friction and air resistance can be kept to a minimum to allow the pods to move at high speeds with minimal energy

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Robert Downey Jr (right) and Jon Favreau, director of 'Iron Man' modeled the main character in the movie -- 'genius billionaire Tony Stark' - after Elon Musk (left)


HTT reveals Hyperloop levitation system


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Musk has previously described Hyperloop is a 'cross between a Concorde, a rail gun and air hockey table'. He came up with the idea in 2013 but claims he doesn't want to develop the technology himself. Pictured are the regions HTT wants to connect to Hyperloop
 

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Musk has previously described Hyperloop is a 'cross between a Concorde, a rail gun and air hockey table'. He came up with the idea in 2013 but claims he doesn't want to develop the technology himself. Pictured are the regions HTT wants to connect to Hyperloop

I can see how 'railgun' technology might be adapted to transportation, ... the one thing that concerns me about 'Hyperloop' is the vacuum. If a leak were to develop between the transport module and the outer vacuum, it could be disastrous. Seems there would have to be an emergency back-up with oxygen masks like aboard passenger planes, or some other method of shutting down the vacuum before it sucks the oxygen from your lungs.
In the meantime, there are available tracks for Amtrak or other rail passenger services to utilize, over the old Desert Wind route. jmo.
 

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The NFL Has Been All Over The Map Regarding Gambling And Las Vegas, Well Before The Raiders Came To Town
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Here is what we know about the NFL and gambling:
  • The NFL is okay with having a team in Las Vegas, the cradle of US gambling, which is in the only state where sports betting is legal.
  • The league — through Commissioner Roger Goodell — says it is not a proponent of legal sports betting. It says (at least publicly) that its presence threatens the integrity of the game.
The juxtaposition of these two facts is certainly strange. The NFL is really making no attempt to reconcile it, either, at least so far. How can you put a team in Vegas if you say the thing that goes on there — sports betting — is bad for business?

(The answer of course, is complicated. Much of the NFL might even be pro-sports betting, privately. But the real reason the Raiders are leaving Oakland for Vegas revolves mostly around money.)

The NFL, in reality, has always been all over the map on gambling.

The NFL wouldn’t let a player attend a fantasy sports event in Las Vegas
It was less than two years ago that an active, prominent quarterback was not allowed to appear at a fantasy sports convention.

In June of 2015, the NFL moved to stop Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo from appearing at the National Fantasy Football Convention in Vegas.

More from ESPN at the time:

The league recently contacted the NFL Players Association about the event to remind the players of a long-standing league policy that “players and NFL personnel may not participate in promotional activities or other appearances in connection with events that are held at or sponsored by casinos.”

Mind you, this wasn’t in a casino. This was the Sands Expo and Convention Center. Granted, that facility is owned by the Las Vegas Sands Corporation.

But going from stopping players from appearing at fantasy event in Las Vegas that is only tangentially related to casinos, to an NFL team in Las Vegas, in the course of two years is quite the about-face.

The NFL has stopped players from attending a charity event in a casino
The weirdest of the NFL stances of gambling has to be this story from 2016, in which the NFL wouldn’t let its players attend a charity event at a casino. From Legal Sports Report at the time:

According to the lawsuit, which was obtained by Legal Sports Report, the non-profit corporation Strikes for Kids was pressured by NFL Senior Labor Relations Counsel Brooke Gardiner last June to relocate its Second Annual Las Vegas All-Star Classic charity event.

The suit says that Gardiner told Strikes for Kids that if it didn’t relocate the event, which was slated to be held at a large bowling alley on the property of the Sunset Station Casino, that the 25 NFL players who were scheduled to attend would not be able to attend.


The NFL, less than a year ago, was so scared of casinos that it wouldn’t let its players go inside a bowling alley in a casino. Less than a year later, an entire team is going to be within spitting distance of the Las Vegas Strip. Wrap your head around that one.

The NFL has relationships with casinos already
Before, that, however, the NFL gave the go-ahead for teams to accept limited ads related to state-licensed casinos. There’s also a long-term agreement between the MGM Grand Detroit and the Detroit Lions. A luxury lounge, called the MGM Grand Detroit Tunnel Club, is in the stadium.

Simply put, the NFL sometimes holds casinos at arm’s length, and other times moves the goal posts. One of the bright lines drawn appears to be at team or stadium ownership by a casino interest.

Beyond that, many of the NFL’s teams play their games close to a casino already. (However, none of those casinos have sports betting, since Nevada is the only state with single-game wagering.)

The NFL is heavily involved in daily fantasy sports
With the backdrop of the Romo fiasco, the NFL has drawn a line on what it thinks is gambling and not (once again, at least publicly). Sports betting/other gambling = bad. Daily fantasy sports, however = good.

Almost all of the NFL teams are aligned with either DraftKings or FanDuel. The NFL does not have equity or an over-arching league deal like other major US pro sports leagues, but it’s clearly still okay with the partnerships. (Interestingly, a prior relationship between the Raiders and DraftKings is no longer active, Legal Sports Report learned.)

At one point, NFL.com even had content focusing on setting lineups at FanDuel.

No matter where you fall on the “DFS is gambling” debate, it’s clear the NFL has made the decision that DFS is just fine.

The NFL holds games in London, where sports betting is prevalent
Perhaps the most interesting development in recent years as it relates to the NFL is the International Series.

Since 2007, the NFL has staged games in London. NFL teams played real games in a country with legal sports betting, and the end of civilized society — and game integrity in the NFL — was not the result.

Of course, that’s no surprise. The UK has had regulated sports betting for some time now, and it’s an ubiquitous part of society there. So much so, there are betting kiosks in soccer stadiums.

The NFL got over its aversion to holding games where sports betting takes place long ago. The difference this time, with the Raiders, is that it’s on its home soil, with a team that will take up residence in a sports-betting city, permanently.

Will that lead to a more consistent — and sensical — approach by the NFL to sports betting in the US? We can only hope so.
 

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We have gaming on many of our Indian Reservations, ... you have plenty of Indians, maybe they need a Reservation ? You could call it ... West London ?
 

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I was working on my politically incorrect homonyms.

Is it East London ? Guess its been awhile since I was in the neighborhood. And yes, I know there are very different Indians and there is no wrong type, I was trying to make a play on words because of the gaming issue and how Native Americans have dominated the U.S. market outside of Vegas.
 

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Can they change the name of the team to the "Sin City Raiders"? Man the merch would be SWEET
 

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Oakland Coliseum director sounds like he wants Raiders out immediately

Although Raiders owner Mark Davis wants to keep his team in Oakland through the 2019 NFL season , it’s starting to look more and more like no one in Oakland actually wants that.

Not only are the Raiders losing fans in the city (as CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora wrote about earlier this week ), but it appears that they’ve also lost the support of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Authority, which is kind of a big deal because that’s the entity that runs the stadium the Raiders plan to play in over the next three seasons.

During an interview with USA Today on Tuesday, the executive director of the stadium authority, Scott McKibben, pretty much said that he definitely doesn’t want the Raiders playing at the Coliseum in 2019.

“I would say to you with the highest level of confidence, my opinion and recommendation, and that of my board members -- I don’t believe there is any appetite for a third season [in Oakland],” McKibben said.

After the NFL’s 32 owners voted 31-1 to approve the Raiders’ move to Oakland on Monday, Davis said he would like to keep the Raiders in Oakland until the team’s Las Vegas stadium was ready, which is expected to come before the 2020 season.

However, there was one huge caveat: The Raiders are only going to stay if they’re actually getting support.

“We have two more years of lease options for Oakland right now,” Davis said Monday. “If the fans would like us to stay there, we’d love to be there for that and possibly talk to them about extending it for maybe 2019 as well and try to bring a championship back to Oakland.”

Due to the Raiders’ lease, the stadium authority can’t technically kick the Raiders out until after the 2018 season, but if it were to become possible, it sounds like McKibben would be all for kicking them out earlier.

“It’s actually financially to our benefit if they didn’t exercise the options and play here even in the two years they’ve got [in 2017 and 2018],” McKibben added.

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The people who run the Oakland Coliseum don’t really want to host the Raiders anymore. USATSI
The good news for McKibben is that there’s a possibility that the Raiders could leave Oakland after the 2017 season. The Raiders have a pair of one-year team options at the Coliseum, and it’s possible that they’ll pass on the 2018 option if they don’t get any support in 2017.

As McKibben noted, if the Raiders were to leave Oakland, the Coliseum would actually make more money without them. According to McKibben, the Coliseum makes roughly $7 million a year from the Raiders, but it spends $8 million. If the Raiders leave, that $1 million net loss per season leaves with them.

McKibben isn’t the only one who wants the Raiders out as soon as possible. Oakland city councilman Larry Reid also wants the team gone immediately . Warriors star Draymond Green is calling for fans in Oakland to boycott Raiders’ games .

If Davis thought this was going to be a clean divorce, it appears he thought wrong.

If the Raiders do leave Oakland before 2020, they’ll have several options of cities to move to on a temporary basis. Both San Antonio and the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara, California, have been mentioned as possible options.

One place that doesn’t seem to be a temporary option is the city the Raiders are moving to: Las Vegas.

Although a UNLV spokesman told USA Today that the Raiders playing in the school’s 35,000 seat Sam Boyd Stadium has been “discussed as a potential solution,” Davis apparently wants no part of that.

“I want to come into Las Vegas clean,” Davis told ESPN.

Fans in Oakland will probably find that statement a bit ironic since he just did that city dirty.
 

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John Madden: I would hate to be a visiting-team coach in Las Vegas
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ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Hall of Fame coach John Madden said he was "jolted" and "shocked" by the Oakland Raiders winning the vote for relocation by a 31-1 margin last month and had a plea for the team before it moves to Las Vegas.

"Maybe this is just me being oversensitive, but doggone it, if you're going to go, that's really tough, but leave us something," Madden told SiriusXM NFL Radio's Hall of Fame show hosts Joe Horrigan, James Lofton and Howard Balzer on Wednesday night.

"Leave us something here in Oakland. Please."

Madden coached the Raiders from 1969 to 1978 and won the franchise's first Super Bowl before embarking on a broadcasting career.

Raiders owner Mark Davis plans on moving the Raiders to a $1.9 billion, 65,000-seat dome stadium with natural grass in 2020, while playing in Oakland for at least the next two seasons with 2019 still in question.

Madden, who turned 81 on Monday, said he was "surprised" by how quickly the vote came to fruition.

"I'm not sure they have that whole deal together yet," Madden said. "I'm not sure that they even know exactly what the stadium is, how many, where it's going to be and all those things.

"For some reason, they jumped into that thing quickly."

Davis announced his intentions to move to Southern Nevada last April, and there are 750 million reasons why the league did not let the deal die on the vine. The $750 million via a hotel tax is the largest public subsidy ever for a stadium.

Still, as Madden indicated, while the Raiders have identified a site, a 62-acre plot on Russell Road, west of Interstate 15 and the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on the south end of Las Vegas, there is still no lease, design plans or FAA approval, considering the relative proximity of the site to McCarran International Airport. The league wants to see progress on each of those topics, as well as where the team plans on playing in 2019.

Plus, Madden was confused by the league's apparent double-standard in approving relocation to Las Vegas but preparing to fine players who appeared at an arm-wresting competition in a casino there last weekend.

"I would hate to be a coach to take a team in there," Madden said. "I would hate to have my team in Las Vegas on Saturday night before the game ... every team has a bottom 10."

Madden was referring to the "bottom 10" players on the roster in terms of behavior. "I think there's going to be a lot of problems like that," he said. "I'd stay in Mohave [Arizona] or something."

Proponents of Las Vegas have pointed out the trappings of such existing NFL markets as New Orleans, Miami, New York and Los Angeles.

Madden said the Raiders' pending move to Las Vegas hurts more than when they went to Los Angeles in 1982 "because of the finality of it." The thought was when the Raiders departed then, he said, the Oakland Coliseum was still relevant enough to attract another team.

"With the [state of the] stadium now, when they move out, that's going to be torn down, and it's going to be a high rise or some doggone thing. There'll be no more Oakland Raiders," he said. "There will be no more history of the Oakland Raiders, and that really bothers me.

"Boom, it just goes away."

A team Hall of Fame and accompanying museum are planned for the Las Vegas complex. And Lofton, who played for the L.A. Raiders in 1987 and 1988, told Madden that fans would still follow the team.

"Yeah, but if you still live here [in the Bay Area] and you have to drive by that area, which, by the way, I felt was the best location of a stadium in the NFL, and you have to drive by there and you see something there like a shopping mall and a high-rise apartment, it's going to make you sick, I think."
 

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Hey @JOHN Madden

Oakland should just bulldoze that dump and replace it with a sewage treatment plant. BOOM... instant improvement.