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In the NFL, there is a direct correlation between stability at the quarterback position and winning. Below, a look at every quarterback who has started at least three games for a team the past decade, along with the team’s record, including the postseason, in that time (2005-present). Eli Manning is the only quarterback who has started every game for his team in that time — he and Ben Roethlisberger have proved the value in sticking with a passer. Indianapolis cycled through three quarterbacks in one season, but otherwise, the Colts have had Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck under center the whole time.

ONE QUARTERBACK

New York Giants (98-73, two titles): Eli Manning

Pittsburgh Steelers (110-63, two titles): Ben Roethlisberger


TWO QUARTERBACKS

New England Patriots (134-46, two titles): Tom Brady, Matt Cassel

New Orleans Saints (96-74, one title): Aaron Brooks, Drew Brees

San Diego Chargers (101-68); Drew Brees, Philip Rivers


THREE QUARTERBACKS

Baltimore Ravens (106-70, one title): Steve McNair, Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco

Cincinnati Bengals (84-80-2): Ryan Fitzpatrick, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton

Green Bay Packers (105-67, one title): Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn


FOUR QUARTERBACKS

Atlanta Falcons (86-79): Michael Vick, Chris Redman, Joey Harrington, Matt Ryan

Carolina Panthers (83-83-1): Jake Delhomme, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Cam Newton

Dallas Cowboys (95-71): Drew Bledsoe, Brad Johnson, Jon Kitna, Tony Romo

Seattle Seahawks (102-75, one title): Matt Hasselbeck, Seneca Wallace, Tarvaris Jackson, Russell Wilson


FIVE QUARTERBACKS

Denver Broncos (99-70): Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow, Peyton Manning

Indianapolis Colts (119-58, one title): Peyton Manning, Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, Kerry Collins, Andrew Luck


SIX QUARTERBACKS

Chicago Bears (92-74): Josh McCown, Caleb Hanie, Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Brian Griese, Rex Grossman

Houston Texans (74-90): David Carr, Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, T.J. Yates, Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick

Jacksonville Jaguars (66-97): Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, Quinn Gray, Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne, Blake Bortles

Philadelphia Eagles (89-78-1): Donovan McNabb, Mike McMahon, Jeff Garcia, Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez


SEVEN QUARTERBACKS

Buffalo Bills (63-97): Kelly Holcomb, J.P. Losman, Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Thad Lewis, Kyle Orton, E.J. Manuel

EIGHT QUARTERBACKS

Detroit Lions (55-107): Joey Harrington, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna, Dan Orlovsky, Daunte Culpepper, Matthew Stafford, Shaun Hill, Drew Stanton

New York Jets (77-90): Brooks Bollinger, Vinny Testaverde, Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens, Brett Favre, Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Michael Vick

San Francisco 49ers (86-81-1): Alex Smith, Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, Trent Dilfer, Shaun Hill, J.T. O’Sullivan, Troy Smith, Colin Kaepernick

Tennessee Titans (73-89): Steve McNair, Vince Young, Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Charlie Whitehurst, Zach Mettenberger

Washington Redskins (65-99): Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Robert Griffin III, Kirk Cousins, Colt McCoy


NINE QUARTERBACKS

Kansas City Chiefs (68-95): Trent Green, Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko, Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, Alex Smith

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (63-99): Chris Simms, Brian Griese, Bruce Gradkowski, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Josh Freeman, Josh Johnson, Byron Leftwich, Mike Glennon


10 QUARTERBACKS

Arizona Cardinals (76-84): Josh McCown, Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart, Max Hall, John Skelton, Derek Anderson, Kevin Kolb, Ryan Lindley, Carson Palmer, Drew Stanton

Miami Dolphins (70-91): Gus Frerotte, Joey Harrington, Daunte Culpepper, Cleo Lemon, Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Matt Moore, Ryan Tannehill

Minnesota Vikings (77-86-1): Daunte Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Tarvaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, Gus Frerotte, Brett Favre, Christian Ponder, Donovan McNabb, Matt Cassel, Teddy Bridgewater


11 QUARTERBACKS

Cleveland Browns (54-106): Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Ken Dorsey, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, Bryan Hoyer

St. Louis Rams (49-110): Marc Bulger, Jamie Martin, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Gus Frerotte, Kyle Boller, Keith Null, Sam Bradford, A.J. Feeley, Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis, Shaun Hill


13 QUARTERBACKS

Oakland Raiders (47-113): Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks, Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper, JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer, Terrelle Pryor, Matt McGloin, Derek Carr

Data from Pro Football Reference, compiled by Sarah Spencer and Michael Phillips

 

[CGI_Ram]

Stop the cycle Foles. Stop the cycle.

 

[SierraRam]

St. Louis Rams (49-110): Marc Bulger, Jamie Martin, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Gus Frerotte, Kyle Boller, Keith Null, Sam Bradford, A.J. Feeley, Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis, Shaun Hill

Holy crap! Take out Bulger, and we've actually had zero real quarterbacks! (sorry Sam, it wasn't meant to be...)

We ARE a tolerant bunch

 

[CGI_Ram]

Holy crap! Take out Bulger, and we've actually had zero real quarterbacks! (sorry Sam, it wasn't meant to be...)

We ARE a tolerant bunch

It's the hardest piece to fill. Some teams go many many years looking for a franchise QB.

We are in a drought, but some teams are in the middle of the desert... Cleveland, Houston, etc.

 

[DR RAM]

It's the hardest piece to fill. Some teams go many many years looking for a franchise QB.

We are in a drought, but some teams are in the middle of the desert... Cleveland, Houston, etc.

Early reports, seemingly backed up by Coach Fisher's comments, sounds like Mannion is getting a good start. Maybe we get lucky for once, that would be nice, and unexpected.

 

[LACHAMP46]

this is a chicken & egg scenario...do we go through so many QBs because they're terrible...Or, are we terrible cause we go through so many QBs due to injuries....well that's not chicken and egg...but you get what I'm saying....

 

[MTRamsFan]

Correct me, but four (Bulger, Fitzpatrick, Null and Bradford) were drafted, Austin was undrafted, and the rest were FA signings. IMO, many bad decisions which set this team back at least 10 years. I thought SB was going to be the answer but it wasn't meant to be. Here is to Foles being here for a long, long time.

 

[Prime Time]

Also consider the importance of not changing coaching staffs every three years or so. This will be Tom Coughlin's 11th season with the Giants. The Steelers have had two head coaches since Chuck Noll retired in 92, Cowher and Tomlin. This will be Belichick's 15th season with the Patriots.

Meanwhile the Rams have had six head coaches since Dick Vermeil bailed out; Martz, Vitt, Linehan, Haslett, Spags, and Fisher. Am too lazy to look up how many coordinators we've shuffled through in that time. There's something to be said for continuity at all levels of a successful team.

 

[SierraRam]

It's the hardest piece to fill. Some teams go many many years looking for a franchise QB.

We are in a drought, but some teams are in the middle of the desert... Cleveland, Houston, etc.

Tell me about it! Our best QB in the 70's was a past-his-prime John Hadl. If we had a decent (Foles type) QB to go with a defense that was statically better than the "Purple People Eaters", 'Domesday" and the "Steel Curtain", we'd have a couple more Lombardi Trophy's on the mantle.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Tell me about it! Our best QB in the 70's was a past-his-prime John Hadl. If we had a decent (Foles type) QB to go with a defense that was statically better than the "Purple People Eaters", 'Domesday" and the "Steel Curtain", we'd have a couple more Lombardi Trophy's on the mantle.

Sorry Bro! I have to disagree:

* Roman Gabriel - Play QB in 1970-71-72
and he was 23-16-3 in that time frame.

* James Harris - Was Our QB in 1974-75-76 and he had a record of 42-9-1 in that period.
While-
* Hadl - Only QB'd the Rams in 1973. Although he did have a record of 12-2

I'd take Harris or Gabriel over Hadl in a New York Minute! JMHO:shades:

 

[SierraRam]

Sorry Bro! I have to disagree:

* Roman Gabriel - Play QB in 1970-71-72
and he was 23-16-3 in that time frame.

* James Harris - Was Our QB in 1974-75-76 and he had a record of 42-9-1 in that period.
While-
* Hadl - Only QB'd the Rams in 1973. Although he did have a record of 12-2

I'd take Harris or Gabriel over Hadl in a New York Minute! JMHO:shades:

Gabriel, maybe, but not in the 70's...

Harris, no way. He was the benefactor of a truly great team in every way except QB.

Sorry Dave, but if W/L record is the stat we're using, you could also argue that
Dieter Brock was our best QB in the 80's...

 

[DaveFan'51]

Gabriel, maybe, but not in the 70's...

Harris, no way. He was the benefactor of a truly great team in every way except QB.

Sorry Dave, but if W/L record is the stat we're using, you could also argue that
Dieter Brock was our best QB in the 80's...

Ok my friend, we'll just have to 'Politely' Disagree! But that was a lot of games Harris Won!

 

[kurtfaulk]

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[12intheBox]

Early reports, seemingly backed up by Coach Fisher's comments, sounds like Mannion is getting a good start. Maybe we get lucky for once, that would be nice, and unexpected.

Some of us were on the Mannion train before the pick was made.

As for the OP - you look at some teams QB woes and they were throwing darts at the position. Our woes were clearly injury based. Poor planning can be debated - but it seemed to me to just be our luck.

 

[Zombie Slayer]

I believe continuity with at the quarterback position and with the front office and coaches are the most important. As already mentioned in this thread with examples. Teams that can't get that continuity simply won't have any sort of sustained success.

 

[Robocop]

the curse of Kurt Warner...

 

[ramsince62]

this is a chicken & egg scenario...do we go through so many QBs because they're terrible...Or, are we terrible cause we go through so many QBs due to injuries....well that's not chicken and egg...but you get what I'm saying....

"At this point, what difference does it make?"