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How Many Wrs In This Draft Are Potentially Better Than Rams Wrs?

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by max, Jan 11, 2014.

  1. iced Well-Known Member

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    To me, the WR position is a NEED position...and at the top of the draft this year with the talent available, the biggest need.
     
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  2. max Well-Known Member

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    Not sure WR is the biggest need. We need a FS, for sure. And the OL has a lot of question marks now.
     
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  3. iced Well-Known Member

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    only question mark at OL is the other guard spot.

    I don't think I've ever seen a guard go in the top 5 before...usually that's cause you can get them later in the draft and they've never been the premium pick like an LT.

    Rams allowed 36 sacks this season, thats 7th best. Zac stacy almost hit 1k yards in 12 games...

    ^ there's no franchise lows there.. in fact that's pretty good..

    Boudreau makes it work despite what talent he gets; can't say the same for richard sherman.

    We had a TOP 5 LT before injury - we don't even have a top 50 WR.
     
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  4. max Well-Known Member

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    Well, there is a question whether we sign Saffold. And there's another question regarding an OT coming off ACL surgery who has been injured every year the last 3 years.
     
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  5. rdlkgliders Hugo Bezdek

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    No question the WR position needs to Improve, The VJ comparisons are certainly based on optimism and somewhat on size and speed both are large and fast 6'3 quick
    6'5 Jackson. Really Quick is basically the exact size of Fitzgerald. Just to be clear Yes Max our WR position is subpar Givens, is not physical enough Pettis has trouble getting open, Quick has been discussed and Bailey's sample size to small. I stand by my prediction that we will have at least one new face next year.
     
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  6. iced Well-Known Member

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    "You don't draft a player because of injury"

    We do want to resign saffold.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/stl/st-louis-rams

     
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  7. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    To be fair that quote could mean anything, it could mean "we weren't going to draft a LT before Long got injured, and we aren't now" or it could mean "When we draft a LT it won't be because Long got injured, it will be because he's a very good player and we believe he will have a big impact on the team"
     
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  8. iced Well-Known Member

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    it was in response to a question about long...
     
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  9. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    And Cooks is.....
     
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  10. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    I don't see what question would lead to that response meaning we're opening Sam up to get sacked every time he drops back, which is what we're doing if we don't draft an OT.
     
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  11. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    Nice.
     
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  12. CoachO Well-Known Member

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    I am not saying that STATS are not useful, as long as they are comparable situations. In the case of the Rams, and their passing game, raw numbers just don't tell the story. That's MY point. Trying to compare the Rams WRs in terms of catches, TDs, total Yards just doesn't depict an accurate measuring stick. Then add in the fact that it changed DRAMATICALLY when they lost their starting QB, it only makes the comparison even more skewed.

    I have said this too many times to count. Take Brian Quick for example. If you are ONLY looking at his raw numbers in the categories mentioned above, then you are left with no there outcome. He is severely lacking when compared to others around the league. But if you take into account, that by no fault of his own, he just was not targeted once Bradford went down.

    Everyone is now on the Stedman Bailey bandwagon. Why? Because he caught 2-3 passes a game I the final month of the season? If you strictly go by the raw numbers, this would say he isn't very good either. But if you compared his "production" to that of the other WRs on THIS TEAM, it seems to jump out at you. Why is that? I would like to see the number of targets Bailey and Pettis had, compared to the other WRs on the Rams once Clemens took over. Not catches, but TARGETS. To me, those are the STATS that need to be examined when you are trying to "evaluate" these guys.

    That doesn't even begin to suggest comparing these to the likes of A. Jeffrey. Look at the pure number of targets he got, and compare that to the number of targets the rest of his teammates got. Throw in the variable of having someone like B. Marshall on the field and you can see how SUBJECTIVE these comparisons become. Simply cannot just go by the raw numbers.
     
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  13. There's potential on the team already. I'm not of the opinion that you need a Megatron to be a successful passing team, you need multiple guys who are all capable and who fill different, complementary roles.

    Austin: Shifty, speedy guy who is dangerous in space
    Pettis: Reliable hands, sticks-mover, good route runner, great size
    Bailey: See Pettis, but with better hands and better speed, not as good size
    Quick: Size/speed combo, can attack multiple levels of the field
    Givens: Deep threat. Little more, just pure speed for "go" and slant routes
    Cook: Size/speed combo, can attack multiple levels of the field, more experienced than Quick

    All of these guys are either pretty good or getting better at what they do. If you add a Sammy Watkins, you're overall improved, but I personally don't see it as necessary. Lee would probably fill the role Givens inhabits. Not a big fan of Evans - he'd hypothetically be somewhere between Pettis and Quick in terms of role.

    The one I'd see as real value is Matthews from Vandy - big, fast, SEC competition, could step in for Pettis or Quick (or rotate with them). He'd also probably be available if you trade down towards the end of the 1st... possibly even at our pick in the 2nd (or if we trade down with someone like Oakland and end up with their 2nd).
     
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  14. iced Well-Known Member

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    rams were 7th in sacks allowed this year with 35
     
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  15. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    With Long as LT not with Hooey (is it Hooey? I'm sure someone said Hooey :confused:)
     
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  16. iced Well-Known Member

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    lol Chris williams filled in for at LT after saffold went down
     
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  17. max Well-Known Member

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    I can understand not drafting because of AN injury. But we are talking about a guy who has a long history of INJURIES, plural. And I think that's different. This is Long's 3 straight year with a major injury. The indications are there that he is breaking down. As Gil Brandt said, when a player gets a couple of major injuries the odds are very high that more will come soon.

    So I think it's careless not to be prepared for when Jake goes down again.
     
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  18. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    Isn't he a free agent though, and a horrible OT?
     
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  19. Yes and yes. Also a horrible guard.
     
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  20. iced Well-Known Member

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    I'd share your concern if it were multiple injuries to the same place, like a danario alexander..

    but that's not the case - it's not a reinjury of the same spot.
     
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