How far back would you trade to regain our 4th?

[WestCoastRam]

We're at 10. Knowing what you know about what the board will probably look like, how far back would you be willing to go to regain the 4th?

 

[FRO]

I'm not worried about regaining picks. We have decent depth on the roster. I want to add quality players.

 

[Athos]

Forget regaining picks.

A 4th is nothing. Really, what great 4ths have we had? None to really bother mentioning right now.

And outside of O-Line, I think this draft is very top heavy. As in, most of the really good talents gone about mid-way thru the 3rd.

Sooner for the immediate starters.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Depends upon the group of players still on the board at the time.

 

[BonifayRam]

I have heard that the Rams stand a good chance of getting a 6th comp & even a 7th comp selection to go with our current 5 picks.
1st-#10
2nd-#41
3rd-#72
5th
6th[comp]
7th
7th[comp]

If the above does occur then there is no big need but most GM's prefer to have a 4th round selection due to value of time element between the last pick of the second day & the first pick of the 4th round of the last day of the draft. I think that why the Buc's wanted that 4th for Barron. Rams could trade for a 4th selection coming from our thicker RB, CB, SS, WR & DE units. Some names that have been mentioned before here are Stacy, Givens, Johnson & Sims.

If the Rams are lucky in March's free agency where they can get their UFA's WR Britt, OL'er Barksdale & OL'er Person under contract Snead based off his previous work could trade down several times in the First Round collecting second day selections & still get a very good starting OL'er in day one.

With so many outstanding OL'ers in this draft having 2nd & 3rd round draft grade. i.e. Interior OL'ers Cameron Erving, Laken Tomlinson, Arie Kouandjio, AJ Cann & Tre Jackson should be there in the 2nd rd. Then others in the 3rd rd. OT/OG prospects like John Miller, Josue Matias, Ali Marpet, Jake Fisher, Cedric Ogbuehi, Donovan Smith & Rob Havenstein.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Depends upon the group of players still on the board at the time.

Let's say that both QBs are gone. Cooper at WR is gone but the rest of the WR are on the board and one top OT is gone (I don't know enough to separate them right now).

 

[WestCoastRam]

I have heard that the Rams stand a good chance of getting a 6th comp & even a 7th comp selection to go with our current 5 picks.
1st-#10
2nd-#41
3rd-#72
5th
6th[comp]
7th
7th[comp]

If the above does occur then there is no big need but most GM's prefer to have a 4th round selection due to value of time element between the last pick of the second day & the first pick of the 4th round of the last day of the draft. I think that why the Buc's wanted that 4th for Barron. Rams could trade for a 4th selection coming from our thicker RB, CB, SS, WR & DE units. Some names that have been mentioned before here are Stacy, Givens, Johnson & Sims.

If the Rams are lucky in March's free agency where they can get their UFA's WR Britt, OL'er Barksdale & OL'er Person under contract Snead based off his previous work could trade down several times in the First Round collecting second day selections & still get a very good starting OL'er in day one.

With so many outstanding OL'ers in this draft having 2nd & 3rd round draft grade. i.e. Interior OL'ers Cameron Erving, Laken Tomlinson, Arie Kouandjio, AJ Cann & Tre Jackson should be there in the 2nd rd. Then others in the 3rd rd. OT/OG prospects like John Miller, Josue Matias, Ali Marpet, Jake Fisher, Cedric Ogbuehi, Donovan Smith & Rob Havenstein.

I agree, part of the strength of this draft is in the depth on the OL. And since our need at QB doesn't seem to match talent in the beginning rounds, I like trading down to maximize our returns on this draft. The only reason I wouldn't is if one of the top WR's is there at 10 and it's too good to pass up. I'm not wowwed by any other top 10 talent right now.

 

[12intheBox]

Of course, it depends on who is still on the board. You don't trade away a draft slot - you trade away an opportunity to draft a specific player.

 

[Rams and Gators]

Trading down to recoup lost picks, alternatively known as the "Pead Strategy"

 

[WestCoastRam]

Of course, it depends on who is still on the board. You don't trade away a draft slot - you trade away an opportunity to draft a specific player.

True, it is an exercise in hypotheticals... but so are 99% of the threads on this board.



Drafting in the top 10, by the time the draft rolls around it's going to be fairly easy to predict the 1st 10 picks with a good level of accuracy.

 

[woofwoofmo]

If you buy into the value of the NFL Draft Pick value chart, a 4th Round pick would be worth dropping back no more than 1 or 2 spots and even doing that you could be losing according where in the round the pick is. To me will take more than a 4th to move anywhere off #10.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

1st Rd 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 27 194 14
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26 195 13
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 26 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 40 165 25 197 13
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 39 167 25 199 12
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24 200 11
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 38 169 24 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23 202 11
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 37 171 23 203 10
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 23 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 36 173 22 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 22 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 35 175 21 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 34 177 21 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 33 179 20 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32 180 19 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 32 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31 182 19 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 31 184 18 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30 185 17 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 30 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29 187 17 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 29 189 16 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28 190 15 222 2.6
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 28 191 15 223 2.3
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27 192 15 224 2

 

[8to12]

Forget regaining picks.

A 4th is nothing. Really, what great 4ths have we had? None to really bother mentioning right now.

And outside of O-Line, I think this draft is very top heavy. As in, most of the really good talents gone about mid-way thru the 3rd.

Sooner for the immediate starters.

I have an opposing view on this. What has happened in the past, meaning the players drafted in the 4th, shouldn't alter your thinking on building the roster now. IMO, there are 4 positions that will need an upgrade and/or depth ; O-line, TE, OLB, and CB. There is good value and depth at some of the positions into the 4th round. A good percentage of the players below should be available in the 4th round;

CB Steve Nelson - Oegon St
OLB Lorenzo Mauldin Louisville
OT Donovan Smith Penn St. ( IMO, he could start at RT )
CB Jacoby Glenn UCF
OLB Zach Hodges Harvard
OT Cedric Ogbeuehi Texas A&M
TE Jesse James Penn St.
QB Garret Grayson Colorado St.
TE Nick O'Leary Florida St.
C Andy Galik Boston College
TE Clive Walford Miami ( this one is my favorite if he lasts to the 4th ; no LB could cover him at the Senior Bowl practices)
CB Charles Gaines Louisville
OT Daryl Williams Oklahoma

 

[jrry32]

I have an opposing view on this. What has happened in the past, meaning the players drafted in the 4th, shouldn't alter your thinking on building the roster now. IMO, there are 4 positions that will need an upgrade and/or depth ; O-line, TE, OLB, and CB. There is good value and depth at some of the positions into the 4th round. A good percentage of the players below should be available in the 4th round;

CB Steve Nelson - Oegon St
OLB Lorenzo Mauldin Louisville
OT Donovan Smith Penn St. ( IMO, he could start at RT )
CB Jacoby Glenn UCF
OLB Zach Hodges Harvard
OT Cedric Ogbeuehi Texas A&M
TE Jesse James Penn St.
QB Garret Grayson Colorado St.
TE Nick O'Leary Florida St.
C Andy Galik Boston College
TE Clive Walford Miami ( this one is my favorite if he lasts to the 4th ; no LB could cover him at the Senior Bowl practices)
CB Charles Gaines Louisville
OT Daryl Williams Oklahoma

Gotta disagree. A lot of the players on this list won't make it to the 4th.

 

[8to12]

Gotta disagree. A lot of the players on this list won't make it to the 4th.

First, the point was that there would be value in trading down to gain a 4th round pick.

Second, I respect your opinion. It could be true that "a lot of players on that list" won't make it to the 4th. However you would be only making 1 pick in that round. To say that none of the players listed would be available to bolster one of those 4 positions is highly unlikely. Others have projections that say otherwise ;
Walter Football has 8 of the 13 I mentioned going in the 4th round or later. Great Blue North, on their value board listing the top 250, lists 6 of the 13 of my list between 96 and 215...which would be 4th round or later. In addition, there may be players that are projected higher that drop into the 4th.

If the Rams trade down and acquire a 4th round pick, I think there will be some quality players available to help with the 4 positions I mentioned.

 

[jrry32]

First, the point was that there would be value in trading down to gain a 4th round pick.

Second, I respect your opinion. It could be true that "a lot of players on that list" won't make it to the 4th. However you would be only making 1 pick in that round. To say that none of the players listed would be available to bolster one of those 4 positions is highly unlikely. Others have projections that say otherwise ;
Walter Football has 8 of the 13 I mentioned going in the 4th round or later. Great Blue North, on their value board listing the top 250, lists 6 of the 13 of my list between 96 and 215...which would be 4th round or later. In addition, there may be players that are projected higher that drop into the 4th.

If the Rams trade down and acquire a 4th round pick, I think there will be some quality players available to help with the 4 positions I mentioned.

Bolded are guys I think will be gone:
CB Steve Nelson - Oegon St
OLB Lorenzo Mauldin Louisville
OT Donovan Smith Penn St. ( IMO, he could start at RT )
CB Jacoby Glenn UCF
OLB Zach Hodges Harvard
OT Cedric Ogbeuehi Texas A&M
TE Jesse James Penn St.
QB Garret Grayson Colorado St.
TE Nick O'Leary Florida St.
C Andy Galik Boston College
TE Clive Walford Miami ( this one is my favorite if he lasts to the 4th ; no LB could cover him at the Senior Bowl practices)
CB Charles Gaines Louisville
OT Daryl Williams Oklahoma

Smith is a tough one. He might last due to his character concerns.

Regardless, yes, there will be value in the 4th...but enough to trade down to pick one up? I don't know. If I were trading down from a top 10 pick, I'd most likely need more than a fourth to do it.