Greg Robinson to the right side?

[Loyal]

Hm maybe my info is old/bad, but last I heard Grob said he didn't want to play guard, and McVay's quote suggested Grob would be tried at RT while they would see if Hav could play guard.

"Right now, the plan is Andrew's going to be our left tackle, and we'll give Greg an opportunity to play on the right side," McVay said. "I think that'll be a good opportunity for Greg to go to that right side, and we'll see how (Rob) Havenstein is able to do if we allow him to play guard and tackle."
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/03/los_angeles_rams_reveal_plan_f.html

Probably because Tackles get paid more than Guards do. I wonder if they are humoring him by saying he could compete on the right side with Havenstein. I think he really wants to be good (Robinson), but I don't know that he is mentally capable, or at least he doesn't seem to be able to learn/progress. It's a d@mn shame, because I really think he has physical ability to be a HOFer, just not so much mentally...

 

[Fatbot]

Probably because Tackles get paid more than Guards do.

You may be spot on (and maybe what his agent is telling him), but Grob's quote was: "It's not really something that I'm just going to accept, because I'm so used to playing tackle. It would be hard to adjust. But if I have to adjust, that will be something that I will do."

Going out on a limb here, but a player that doesn't want to switch positions and only does so begrudgingly when forced is probably less likely to excel at the new position, so I'm assuming Grob won't be at guard. If he doesn't win the right tackle starting spot then he could be the swing tackle while getting paid his $3mil on the bench, preparing to hit free agency as a tackle, thinking a team will take a chance on him due to his young age and draft stock. Sounds like that's a better thought to him than starting over from scratch at guard, but admittedly a hell of a lot of reading between the lines at this point.

 

[Soul Surfer]

My gut tells me I don't see Robinson beating out Saffold or Brown.

They may get one year out of Robinson as a game-day active backup tackle guard.

My guess is the staff will be under whelmed and will move on for '18.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them take two Centers in this draft.
One with starting possibilities and one to develop as a backup.
Yes we are that thin and the cupboards are pretty bare at Center.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

@LACHAMP46 The beauty of a new OLine coach coming in is he has no preconceived ideas from the old staff or draft analysis and positions. Kromer is not tied down to anything other than Whitworth at OLT.

I can see the wisdom in trying GRob at ORT, but if Rob H beats him out I would move GRob to LG and Saffold to RG, his best position IMO.

 

[TSFH Fan]

Anyone else mention the Jason Smith career path? Sorry, if so.

Move GRob to the right side, get PT in the PS to remind everyone of his potential, and ship him out -- maybe?


Edit: words

 

[LACHAMP46]

The beauty of a new OLine coach coming in is he has no preconceived ideas from the old staff or draft analysis and positions.

There's film....and he'll soon see some work in OTA's.

It seems the consensus here is that moving Havenstein to Guard doesn't make a lot of sense.

Makes perfect sense....Why do you think a new staff, new OL coach immediately bring in a new LT, move the old LT to RT, and move the RT to RG? They want to try these guys at new spots...probably before they have to cut somebody.

I don't see why everyone forgets what the line looked like in 2016.

 

[Soul Surfer]

It seems the consensus here is that moving Havenstein to Guard doesn't make a lot of sense.

I can understand McVay and Kromer wanting to start with a clean slate but they have to had look at his 2015 film where he made the All Rookie team.

It also makes me question Snead where I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Good point flv and I do believe that Havenstein is absolutely smarter/ quicker thinking than Robinson, (as unfortunately we have seen).
I am also a big believer in continuity and allowing a player to develop at his most natural position.

I have thought that Havenstein was a natural and only a Right Tackle.

I was following him before the draft and loved the pick.

I also loved the Jamon Brown pick as a guard conversion from a tackle.

Boudreau switched Jamon Brown so many times back and forth between the right and left Guard position that he never got comfortable with either eventually getting injured.

These guys were rookies. It is hard enough for a rookie to start out of the box without being switched all over.

Just being set at tackle would be a good enough start for me.

Consistency in position is why I would try Robinson at Left Guard and let the vet Saffold go back to the right.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

There's film....and he'll soon see some work in OTA's.

Makes perfect sense....Why do you think a new staff, new OL coach immediately bring in a new LT, move the old LT to RT, and move the RT to RG? They want to try these guys at new spots...probably before they have to cut somebody.

I don't see why everyone forgets what the line looked like in 2016.

Yes but I was talking about Kromer not having favorites, or thinking he has to play someone because they were highly drafted. I think most coaches tend to hang onto ideas when they have been on a staff and were involved in drafting a player. They released Barnes where the previous staff seemed to love the guy, despite many feeling it was obvious that he wasn't getting it done on the field. He wasn't afraid to move GRob, where the previous coaches tried to keep their dream of him being an OLT alive. And I don't think there is any way that Fisher would have signed Whitworth.

 

[LACHAMP46]

I think most coaches tend to hang onto ideas when they have been on a staff and were involved in drafting a player.

Seems strange that guys would just "get" positions because of where they were drafted.
Fish liked his teams young...I wonder if that's so he seems/appears to be the smartest guy in the room...and no challengers to his authority.

 

[JackDRams]

Hav was our best o lineman in 2015 by a wide margin. Didn't allow a single sack. To judge his value and potential based on an injury riddled 2016 is foolish and unfair to him. He never should have even seen the field with how limited he was with the injury. But we had some idiot of a coach that wouldn't let him sit to heal.

 

[Soul Surfer]

[QUOTE="JackDRams, post: 883812, Hav....never should have even seen the field with how limited he was with the injury. But we had some idiot of a coach that wouldn't let him sit to heal.[/QUOTE]
Which idiot are you referring to?

Boudreau or Fisher?

 

[Corbin]

Some of you guys seem either to be on the slightly buzzed while watching Rams games or delusional. Greg Robinson does not possess elite skills. He has been a busy through and through and has a head full of mush. You really think moving him to RT on a side he's not used to playing is going to fix things?
I honestly think out of all Rams in recent years G Rob has most delusional fan base, even more than Quick ever had.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Some of you guys seem either to be on the slightly buzzed while watching Rams games or delusional. Greg Robinson does not possess elite skills. He has been a busy through and through and has a head full of mush. You really think moving him to RT on a side he's not used to playing is going to fix things?
I honestly think out of all Rams in recent years G Rob has most delusional fan base, even more than Quick ever had.

Hard to find G-Rob highlights...LOL...maybe comments from some opponents..
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-packers-vs-rams-b99594632z1-332282942.html

DEFENSIVE LINE (4)
The unit was better rushing the passer than stopping the run. Exhibit A was Datone Jones. In just 22 snaps, almost all coming inside in the dime next to Julius Peppers, he had three knockdowns. He beat right guard Rodger Saffold on two stunts, and on the second Saffold left with what Fisher suggested might be a major shoulder injury. He also beat veteran Garrett Reynolds, the veteran replacement for Saffold. On his few snaps when the Rams ran, Jones did get abused physically. The Packers played a season-high 22 snaps of base, and Mike Daniels (45), Letroy Guion (35), B.J. Raji (26) and Mike Pennel (17) all had impressive moments stuffing blockers and piling up Gurley. They all got steamrolled as well. As the game wore on, left tackle Greg Robinson played like a man among boys, and rookie left guard Jamon Brown moved people, too. With refinement, Robinson might have the dancing-bear feet and aggressive temperament to become the next dominant tackle.

Make sure to expand this...Name one other lineman...well, I've seen Saffold manhandle guys too...but name another?
oh yeah...you want some video...I don't see a terrible player. Weak...slow...or getting overpowered at the point of attack. I see a guy that is confused about his specific assignment, on a play to play basis.

But I do see an elite athlete. With above average movement skills....

Oh yeah, excuse the opening plays by Quick in the first 2 vids....he just you know...got lucky or something. Panthers game....
Falcons game....this is the game that cemented for me the fact that Havenstein is more of a problem than G-Rob.....I'm guessing most of ROD is REALLY BUZZED to not notice this guy is as much of a problem as Barnes.

Edited
http://www.seahawks.com/news/2016/12/15/week-15-seattle-seahawks-vs-los-angeles-rams-highlights

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos/v...ghlights/a8f58924-a56e-4b17-975c-be73672e4f5b

 

[Snaz]

Can anyone post Gifs of the specific plays, I've seen someone post them in the past for analysis.

 

[bubbaramfan]

I have to see weather Kromer and the new coaching staff can get improvement out of GRob before I throw him under the bus.
How many OL players has Boudreau or Fisher improved since they came to the Rams? Saffold? (Has he really improved since being drafted?)
Coaching failure at the highest level IMHO., and the main reason the Rams won only 4 games las season.

 

[Riverumbbq]

We did see this, and it turned out to be Saffold's worst position ranking. Can't remember the year, whether it was around 2012, just prior to Barksdale or around the time he took over the position. Once Saffold moved inside he bounced back, he's pretty much been an OG or LT ever since.

 

[BonifayRam]

Yep I still of that opinion & maybe stronger than ever. Rodger Saffold has no limitations other than the fact that he in seriously injury prone. Saffold has played 7 seasons as a starter. He only has 3 seasons where he has started 15 or more games.On the flip side out of 112 possible games over 7 seasons he has started 83 that looks considerably better when looking at it in an overview fashion.RS was a starter @ OT for 4 seasons & a starter @ OG for 3 seasons.

If Jamon Brown come on strong @ LG in TC & pre season RS very well could be looking for another place to start. Brown may fit in very nice next to the well season'd veteran all pro LT. The Brown/Robinson duo was a nightmare. It would be very good for the future of this Ram OL if Jamon Brown finally stepped it up & secured the LG post. I would encourage Kromer to ponder that for a long time & give Brown every opportunity for him to do that.

If RS is moved into contention @ RT as a starter .....I am sure RS would beat GRob out without breaking a drop of perspiration. Its been said many times that RS was beaten out @ RT by Joe Barksdale....that is totally false. Rams needed help @ OG at the later half of the 2014 season & as usual Saffold answered the call & his performance was outstanding. But I also like the @Mojo Ram plan for RS too. That RS is the 6th Ram game day OL'er in 2017. RS can very effectively back up four OL posts without worry. Kromer would only have to dress 2 reserve OL'ers game day.

I hear about all this concern & desire for GRob to get a chance to start.....I have no such desire GRob has not earned any special considerations or special privileges GRob should start like the rest of the other Rams OL'ers looking for a starting position. There is a very good chance that GRob will get his many millions being a non starter. If that happens its bad real bad because he has mastered only 1 post & GRob flunk that post so as a reserve what post or posts is he going to back up?

IMO GRob will not be a Ram after this season anyway. But I really don't care what OL position he finds is best suited for his talents, just hope he can finally discover one.