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Clowney’s Pro Day Makes Rams’ Choice Much Tougher
By Randy Karraker

http://www.101sports.com/2014/04/04/clowneys-pro-day-makes-rams-choice-much-tougher/

After South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney’s sensational pro day workout at Williams-Brice Stadium on Wednesday, he enhanced what already was an enviable draft position for the Rams. Going into the workout, people wondered if Clowney would be in shape and be able to maintain the excellent skills displayed at the combine.

Under the watch of Rams defensive line coach Mike Waufle and Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennell, Clowney aced every drill. He showed great flexibility in the figure-eight drill, showed the dexterity to get low and the hand-eye coordination to pick tennis balls off the ground, ran well and physically outlasted his teammates in a long session.

Most questions about Clowney have been answered. Sure, he opted out of a game during the season with an injury that his coach, Steve Spurrier, didn’t know about, and he wasn’t in great shape for South Carolina’s opener. But the reason he didn’t put up astounding sack numbers wasn’t as much about him as it was opponents planning for him, and then executing with double-and-triple teams. His workout answered any questions about his ability, and most questions about his effort. That being said, Spurrier did question Clowney’s work ethic while meeting with reporters at the combine.

Most observers think that Houston, with the top pick in the draft, should take Clowney in a no-brainer move. And if the Texans take a quarterback, it would seem an easy decision for the Rams to take the guy regarded as far and away the best player available. Every scenario should play out in the Rams’ favor.

If Houston falls in love with one of the three quarterbacks at the top of this draft – Blake Bortles of Central Florida, Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M or Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville – Clowney falls into the Rams’ lap. While he would be the logical choice as the best player in the draft, he would also be a luxury pick. The Rams have two standout defensive ends with Pro Bowl potential, and their defensive line has more sacks over the last two seasons than any other team. Clowney would be a great choice as a situational performer as a rookie and a superstar in the future, but he wouldn’t fill an immediate need for the Rams.

If he’s available and the Rams side with Spurrier’s feelings about his work ethic, there’s now going to be an array of teams lined up that do believe in him. Jacksonville, while needing a quarterback, has had one of the worst pass rushes in the league the last couple of years. The Jaguars added former Seattle defensive end Chris Clemons in free agency, but he’s no Clowney. Atlanta would seem a logical team to trade down with, but the Rams probably shouldn’t trade Clowney to move down below the sixth pick.

If Houston, as expected, takes Clowney, the Rams can fill a need by using the second pick on Clemson’s dynamic wide receiver, Sammy Watkins, or one of two promising offensive tackles, Greg Robinson of Auburn or Jake Matthews of Texas A&M. None of those choices would be bad, and in the long run would benefit the franchise. But a team desiring its top quarterback choice – whether it be Jacksonville, Cleveland or Minnesota – might be willing to trade up to get that guy, and it may benefit the Rams to trade down.

Let’s look at the lowest I’d trade down, to number eight with Minnesota. The Vikings would get their favorite quarterback, Bortles. Jacksonville may take Watkins third, but I know the Jags aren’t going to take a tackle because they took Luke Joekel with last year’s first-rounder. The pressing needs at quarterback and pass rusher make it more likely they take the QB or linebacker Khalil Mack of Buffalo. I’d guess Mack. At No. 4, Cleveland has one of the three best left tackles in the league in Joe Thomas, and I think they’ll take Watkins if he’s available, or a quarterback. One story has the Browns liking Fresno State QB Derek Carr with their second first-rounder, No. 26. At No. 5, Oakland has been quite busy during the offseason, but needs to develop a quarterback behind Matt Schaub. The Raiders seem locked in on that position and spent lots of money on their offensive line this offseason. I’m guessing GM Reggie McKenzie goes with a guy with many of the same skills as a guy he drafted in Green Bay in Aaron Rodgers. I think the Raiders take Manziel.

Right now, my top five picks have been Clowney, Bortles, Mack, Watkins and Manzeil. Atlanta would probably take Robinson at this point, which brings us to Tampa Bay at No. 7. The Bucs have filled their roster nicely this offseason and don’t have any glaring needs. They need a receiver opposite Vincent Jackson and to upgrade over the often-injured Mike Williams, so they take Mike Evans out of A&M.

That leaves, at worst, Matthews or Michigan’s Taylor Lewan at No. 8 for the Rams, and they’ve received a second-round pick and another choice for their trouble. And that’s a worst-case scenario. If Jacksonville is worried about someone else trading up, it may make a deal to move up one spot, allowing the Rams to still get Watkins or deal down again and accumulate more picks. Cleveland could want to jump Jacksonville to get its favorite QB, as could Oakland.

Whether it’s Clowney, Watkins, Robinson or a trade down for a later first-rounder and more picks, the Rams can’t go wrong. That workout has put them in control of the draft, and that’s without even considering what might happen with their own 13th pick in the first round.

I’ve been a fan of a couple of teams that have messed up a lot of first round draft picks. It’s nice to know the Rams almost can’t mess this one up.
 

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I don't buy the pro day hype. If the Rams really are considering Clowney then I believe they were considering him all along.
 

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It's all about the trade offers.

I wouldnt be surprised if HOU takes him or trades down, though.
 

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I don't buy the pro day hype. If the Rams really are considering Clowney then I believe they were considering him all along.

Naturally! Pro days allow veteran NFL coaches/personnel people to look at specific things they may want to see. However, a player's collegiate career game recordings provide a far more comprehensive resume of that player's talent level. The Rams are merely performing due diligence with some of the top players, whether they are interested in actually taking them or not. There is still the possibility of trading picks, and one must know what one is trading to barter the best possible deals.
 

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So hypothetically...lets say that we draft Clowney, and by week 6 its painfully obvious that he needs to be starting. He's getting PT on a rotation but wrecks ppl every time he gets in there. Disrupting, getting sacks, stuffing the run etc... Are you going to bench Chris Long and his $48 million dollar contract?
 

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So hypothetically...lets say that we draft Clowney, and by week 6 its painfully obvious that he needs to be starting. He's getting PT on a rotation but wrecks ppl every time he gets in there. Disrupting, getting sacks, stuffing the run etc... Are you going to bench Chris Long and his $48 million dollar contract?

Best player plays. Wouldn't call it a benching though since they rotate these guys. But, Long would either have to take a paycut or be dealt in 2015.
 

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You could always push Long inside occasionally, Clowney at OLB, and of course keep the guys fresh via rotation.

Me personally; I don't think it would be hard to keep the best players on the field.
 

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You could always push Long inside occasionally, Clowney at OLB, and of course keep the guys fresh via rotation.

Me personally; I don't think it would be hard to keep the best players on the field.
Yeah that's the easy part. The hard part is keeping good players, leaders who make a lot of money on the bench so to speak. C.Long is a stand up guy and a team player but do you really think he'd be okay with Clowney starting in his place? I don't.
Lets not get into how many snaps Chris would still get in rotation blah blah....i don't think there's any way that Fisher could limit, move or sit C.Long at this point. Long isn't Saffold.
 

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Yeah that's the easy part. The hard part is keeping good players, leaders who make a lot of money on the bench so to speak. C.Long is a stand up guy and a team player but do you really think he'd be okay with Clowney starting in his place? I don't.
Lets not get into how many snaps Chris would still get in rotation blah blah....i don't think there's any way that Fisher could limit, move or sit C.Long at this point. Long isn't Saffold.

If the team is winning, things "work" like this. Besides, a fresh edge rusher may in fact get more sacks.

And... I'm not saying CL would lose a significant number of snaps. Slip him inside some.
 

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If the team is winning, things "work" like this. Besides, a fresh edge rusher may in fact get more sacks.

And... I'm not saying CL would lose a significant number of snaps. Slip him inside some.
You might be right. I just think these things don't always work out CGI. I don't think its as easy as many seem to think it is to add a pass rusher you drafted at #2 overall to an already very strong group. Obviously Willy Hayes would get phased out. Isn't he in a contract year in 2014?

I hope Snead finds a way to trade down a few spots, get a blue chip OT and an extra pick(s) and avoid all that.
 

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You might be right. I just think these things don't always work out CGI. I don't think its as easy as many seem to think it is to add a pass rusher you drafted at #2 overall to an already very strong group. Obviously Willy Hayes would get phased out. Isn't he in a contract year in 2014?

I hope Snead finds a way to trade down a few spots, get a blue chip OT and an extra pick(s) and avoid all that.

Truthfully, I am hoping we have "the Clowney option". Meaning... We pick him or trade down. The thought of extra picks is most appealing to me in the right trade scenario.

But back to the thought of mixing up our edge rushers... Doesn't that sound like a nightmare for offensive tackles? You got to prepare for more than one style of rusher. Sounds like a tough assignment to me!
 

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Truthfully, I am hoping we have "the Clowney option". Meaning... We pick him or trade down. The thought of extra picks is most appealing to me in the right trade scenario.

But back to the thought of mixing up our edge rushers... Doesn't that sound like a nightmare for offensive tackles? You got to prepare for more than one style of rusher. Sounds like a tough assignment to me!
Yeah it sounds great on paper :D
 

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With Williams as the DC and Clowney open to a type of possible linebacker scheme on plays, OMG! That could be the most scary blitz package in the league. God help any team with a 3rd and 7+ facing the Rams as you will not get the ball off. Bump and grind the slant receivers at the line of scrimmage and watch the fun begin.
 

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Actually IMO it makes the Rams "choice" easier ,IF they want him , and easier if they don't cuz the draft choices from a trade become more bountiful.
Writers write , deal makers deal ,seldom do writers understand the art of the deal.
 

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I honestly don't think he gets by Houston. I don't feel like any of the QB's really warrant the top pick(granted, I haven't watched much on the top QB's). If I were Houston, I'd draft him and then either look for a QB in the 2nd (I really like Garoppolo. I'm not even sure he'll make it to the 2nd round) or look to trade for Cousins or Mallet.
 

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Yeah it sounds great on paper :D
Y'mean like the paper that says NY Giants Superbowl Champions? Or how about the one that says Seattle Seahawks Superbowl Champions? I know we have more wrapped up in Long's contract than some on those teams but having constant pressure on the QB while being able to shut down the run is a recipe that wins Superbowls. And I also believe with a bit more beef on the O-line, we have every bit the talent that the G-men had and the shecocks have on offense.
 

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Doesn't his pro day make the decision easier? If nothing else it drives up the number 2 pick. If I were Snead, I would sky rocket that #2 pick to 2 1's, a second this year, and a 3rd/4th round pick. If nobody wants to do that then we take him for ourselves.

However, if HOU takes him then our pick plummets. All these QB's are average and Mariata and Winston are better.
 

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I honestly don't think he gets by Houston. I don't feel like any of the QB's really warrant the top pick(granted, I haven't watched much on the top QB's). If I were Houston, I'd draft him and then either look for a QB in the 2nd (I really like Garoppolo. I'm not even sure he'll make it to the 2nd round) or look to trade for Cousins or Mallet.
Yeah EXCEPT the three year window comes into play, BPA is a luxury, win NOW or soon means get the QB position settled with the BPA at that position even IF ya gotta reach a little.
I think they trade out or take Bortles , Manzeil or Bridgewater ,if they stink again this year and QB play is the reason and it's thought it was because they went for a second round talent the honeymoon will be on very thin ice.
 

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However, if HOU takes him then our pick plummets. All these QB's are average and Mariata and Winston are better.

Same thing was said about Ryan Mallet and Jake Locker the years before they came out.

I can't imagine any franchise looking to the 2015 draft as a factor in their 2014 strategy.

But, I could be wrong.
 

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Yeah EXCEPT the three year window comes into play, BPA is a luxury, win NOW or soon means get the QB position settled with the BPA at that position even IF ya gotta reach a little.
I think they trade out or take Bortles , Manzeil or Bridgewater ,if they stink again this year and QB play is the reason and it's thought it was because they went for a second round talent the honeymoon will be on very thin ice.

Hey, I hope you're right. I just don't think they will. They can just get a Cousins or Mallet for less risk or even take a Garopollo in the 2nd(again, less risk). If it was me, I'd probably move up from the 2nd round and take Garopollo somewhere in the late 20's. If they go that route and none of them pan out, they didn't set the franchise back by a large margin because they didn't waste the number 1 pick in the draft. They'd[the coaches] probably get a little more leeway because of that. If you mess up the first pick in the draft, you're probably done no matter what.

These QB's do nothing for me. I can't imagine them doing much for other teams, either. I hope I'm wrong.