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Elmgrovegnome

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I think what you're overlooking is that I agree with everything you just said in this post. Although not everything you've said in this conversation. ;)

There's one aspect in this little scenario where we differ and one where I think you're feet aren't that firmly on the ground.

Where we differ is in how much we're willing to spend (not how long his contract would be for but more on that in a second) on this stopgap QB. I'm not willing to spend more than 8 million or so for a plan 1B.

Where I think you're having a a really nice dream is in thinking Cutler would go for your plan. You tell me what you'd be willing to spend, guaranteed and not guaranteed and how long the contract would be for. I'll bet you $10,000,000 ROD bucks that he gets offered more than that. Or you'll give me figures we could never afford in the first place. Why would he take any offer that A) was only for 2-3 years and B) wasn't for market prices? The other teams that would be our competitors for his services don't have any plan 1A like we do.

I like your plan. (y) Make it so Elmgrovegnome! :bow:

I don't get into the money side of it. That is Demoffs problem and if Fisher wanted Cutler then I am sure he, Les and Demoff would figure it out.

As for wondering if Cutler would go for it: I absolutely think that Cutler would go for it. He is a descending player in this league. He has worn out his welcome twice already. Not that many places would want him. He wont go to a pressure cooker like New York. He would look for a the most popular players coach he could find (Fisher) who has a team on the rise and very near contention (Rams) so he could prove himself to the entire world. Cutler has already made gobs of money and at this point he sees his own Superbowl window nearly slammed shut. The Rams with their possibly elite D will be VERY enticing to him.
 

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Okay if Fisher hires Mike Shanahan as offensive coordinator I can deal with Jay Cutler at Quarterback.

The trouble with Shanahan coming to the Rams is that he prefers a zone blocking scheme with smaller more athletic Olinemen. Even though the Rams need to replace 2/5ths of their line I don't think the rest of them fit a Zone scheme.
 

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By the way, if the argument is that we just need Cutler to be a game-manager (and that eliminates his biggest faults) I'd just as soon spend our money elsewhere and go with Bradford/Hill and a rookie to groom. If we just need a game-manger, let's just get one of those than Cutler and spend money on the oline.
 

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Was listening to Herm Edwards speak the other day. He basically said Cutler is not a high volume passer. Problem is they treat him like one. I happen to agree with that. He said what they need to do is treat him like they are treating Romo with Dallas. Commit more to the run game and cut down on his pass attempts. With our defense moving into the elite range, I would be very interested in Cutler if the Rams had that type of plan for him.

I think I would be OK with this scenario, too. I was living in Denver when they drafted him and his early seasons there with Shanahan had this sort of approach. I think Cutler would be one of the better fits for this team, knowing that it's not on him to score 35 every week just to win.
 

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I think I would be OK with this scenario, too. I was living in Denver when they drafted him and his early seasons there with Shanahan had this sort of approach. I think Cutler would be one of the better fits for this team, knowing that it's not on him to score 35 every week just to win.

Could not agree more. People underestimate how much of an impact having the worst defense in the NFL has on a team. The Bears D is so incredibly terrible. There's no wonder why Cutler feels like he has to chuck it all the time.
 

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The Difficult in Trading Jay Cutler

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-difficulty-in-trading-Jay-Cutler.html

Jay Cutler’s benching for Jimmy Clausen could mean the end of the veteran quarterback’s tenure with the Chicago Bears. Despite the demotion, Cutler’s stated preference is to remain a part of the Bears.

It was presumed that Cutler would be the Bears’ quarterback for the foreseeable future when he signed a seven-year, $126.7 million deal within days of the 2013 regular season ending. Cutler had the NFL’s highest 2014 salary cap number at $22.5 million before the Bears lowered it to $18.5 million by exercising their discretionary right to convert a portion of his base salary ($5 million) into a signing bonus, which was necessary to sign defensive end Jared Allen. Cutler’s $15.5 million 2015 base salary is fully guaranteed. $10 million of his $16 million 2016 base salary becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2015 league year (March 12).

Cutler’s 2015 cap number is $16.5 million. Releasing Cutler before the 2016 guarantee kicks in on March 12 will result in $19.5 million of dead money, a cap charge for a player no longer on a team’s roster. Since Cutler’s guarantees have offset provisions, the Bears would be able to reduce the guaranteed money owed to him by the amount of his new deal with another team. However, the cap relief wouldn’t occur until 2016.

Before releasing Cutler, the Bears would attempt to trade him. From a cap standpoint, trading Cutler is preferable because the Bears would pick up $12.5 million of 2015 cap room. There would be a $4 million cap charge for the Bears from the signing bonus proration in Cutler’s 2016 through 2018 contract years accelerating onto the 2015 cap.

The trading period for 2015 begins when free agency starts on March 10. This doesn’t leave much time for a trade because it would have to occur before the March 12 salary guarantee date if having Cutler return to the team isn’t the organization’s backup plan to a trade.

The Bears won’t be able to get anything comparable to the two second-round picks the San Francisco 49ers received from the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013 for Alex Smith in a Cutler trade, but he should be worth more than the sixth-round pick the Oakland Raiders sent the Houston Texans to acquire Matt Schaub in the offseason. In addition, a team must have enough cap room to absorb a player’s cap number in order to make a trade. Once the player is acquired, the team can then restructure his contract to decrease his cap number.

Teams aren’t allowed to include cash or cap room in trades under NFL rules. The way around it, which was done when the Jacksonville Jaguars traded Eugene Monroe to the Baltimore Ravens in 2013, is for the team to restructure the contract before the trade by converting salary into a signing bonus. It operates essentially the same way as including cash or cap room because the acquiring team’s cap hit for the player in the current league year is reduced.

This would entail the Bears using the same discretionary conversion rights with Cutler they did prior to signing Allen. If $5.5 million is converted to a signing bonus, Cutler’s 2015 base salary will drop to $10 million. When the trade is made, signing bonus proration from Cutler’s future contract years (2016 through 2019) will accelerate onto Chicago’s 2015 cap. The Bears’ total 2015 cap charge for Cutler will be $9.5 million ($4 million of signing bonus proration from the 2014 restructure and $5.5 million relating to this new restructure), which is still $7 million in cap savings. The acquiring team’s cap charge for Cutler will be $10 million. Eating salary in this manner could be a way for the Bears to increase the compensation received for Cutler.

Although Cutler’s salary guarantees make it harder to trade him, there is a scarcity of quality quarterbacks in the NFL. The team that acquired Cutler would be making at least a two-year commitment to him because of the 2016 salary guarantee. It would be easy for the team to walk away from Cutler after that because the remaining four years for $72.7 million don’t contain any guarantees.

The team that seems to make the most sense to acquire Cutler is the Tennessee Titans. CEO Tommy Smith has vowed to remake the Titans’ roster in the offseason. Rookie Zach Mettenberger, a sixth-round pick this year, hasn’t shown enough for the Titans to know whether he is a potential franchise quarterback.

The Titans are in line for the second-overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, which would put them in a position to select 2013 Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston, but the franchise may be gun shy about using another high pick on a quarterback with Jake Locker, the eight overall pick in 2011, failing to live up to his potential. Cutler would also have some marketing appeal since he went to Vanderbilt.

The New York Jets are in need of a quarterback because Geno Smith hasn’t proven he’s the long-term solution at quarterback. It’s been a disappointing season for the Jets, but they probably won’t be drafting high enough to have a shot at 2014 Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota or Winston.

Cutler’s contract would help the Jets solve their spending predicament. The Collective Bargaining Agreement requires teams to spend 89 percent of the salary cap in cash over four-year periods of 2013 through 2016 and 2017 through 2020. Jets are 30th in spending this year ($106.295 million) and below the 89 percent threshold since 2013 at 84.56 percent.

Another intriguing possibility could be the St. Louis Rams. Jeff Fisher recently said he would like Sam Bradford, who is missing the entire 2014 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee for the second year in a row, back in 2015. Bradford, who is making $12.985 million on a $16.58 million cap number in 2015, would likely need to take a significant pay cut to return.​

The opportunity for a rare quarterback swap exists with Cutler and Bradford. Their salaries and dead money are close enough to each other’s that a trade involving the two of them wouldn’t have much of an effect on either team’s salary cap.​

Josh McCown hasn’t performed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers like he did last year in Chicago while Cutler was injured. Head coach Lovie Smith has called Mike Glennon the team’s quarterback of the future, but doesn’t seem to have much confidence in him. Smith was Cutler’s head coach in Chicago for four years, which could work against him.

The Houston Texans may be a quarterback away from challenging the Indianapolis Colts for the AFC South crown. Cutler would be an upgrade over Ryan Fitzpatrick, who is scheduled to make $3.25 million in 2015. Fitzpatrick could remain with the team as Cutler’s backup with that salary. The Texans won’t have enough cap room to take on Cutler’s contract without restructuring deals or the Bears eating some of his salary unless the 2015 salary cap is above $145 million.

Another alternative could be for the Bears to concentrate on salvaging the situation with Cutler by hiring an offensive-minded head coach that believes he can get the most out of him. Mike Shanahan would best fit that description. Cutler’s only Pro Bowl season was in 2008 under Shanahan.
 

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CBS Sports's Pete Prisco communicated my thoughts a little better than I have.

Benched and ridiculed Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler has thrown 332 passes when his team has been behind, a clear indicator that he's usually in scramble mode, which can make it tough to play quarterback in the NFL.

Even more telling, 213 of those passes have come when the Bears have been behind by nine or more points.

To put that in context, here are the pass attempts from behind for the quarterbacks of some of the league's best teams, with their attempts behind by nine or more points in parentheses.
The disparity is unreal. It's a reflection of how poorly the Bears have been on defense this season, ranking dead last in points allowed. That leads to a quarterback pressing. That's when mistakes are made.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...es-why-jay-cutler-is-having-such-a-bad-season
 

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I don't think he could have handled that any better, and I didn't get a prima donna/diva vibe at all.
Exactly why I posted it and agree with you 100%!
I think there could be something salvageable there TBH.
 

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I don't think he could have handled that any better, and I didn't get a prima donna/diva vibe at all.

This. I used to think Cutler was a smug jerk, but after listening to his interviews and stuff I don't get that vibe and the way he's handled himself after a couple bad performances and the demotion, it's only made me think the preconceived notions that people have about him are even more faulty.
 

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I wouldnt call it a tragic loss if he didnt end up in St louis, but if he did? Well, he'd be the best QB we had since #13 left the building
If Fisher was ok with his attitude, I'd be fine with it

I agree........but on the attitude other than finding out from the media in DNV he was on the trade block and then lied to about it and the time he told Martz to go fuck himself what has this guy dont to get that hung on him.......that he is a coach killer, has a bad attitude and so on.

Other than the two things I mentioned I haven't heard anything about him being difficult.

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@ZigZagRam @Corbin ANy ideas on where the labels came from
 

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After looking at the cap numbers this appears to be another pipe dream. The Bears would be much better off holding onto Cutler through next season unless they're going to commit to a re-building year (which they probably should because that D needs a lot of work and isn't going to solve itself in one offseason).
 

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The Bears won’t be able to get anything comparable to the two second-round picks the San Francisco 49ers received from the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013 for Alex Smith in a Cutler trade, but he should be worth more than the sixth-round pick the Oakland Raiders sent the Houston Texans to acquire Matt Schaub in the offseason. In addition, a team must have enough cap room to absorb a player’s cap number in order to make a trade. Once the player is acquired, the team can then restructure his contract to decrease his cap number.
This is interesting, at least to me.

With some of the people out there saying we should try to trade Bradford, I pointed out that his trade value is nil because no one's going to take that contract and that dead money, and they responded to renegotiate his contract, then trade him in a sign and trade deal.

Apparently, you can't do that anymore.
 

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Elmgrovegnome with his head in the clouds:
I don't get into the money side of it. That is Demoffs problem and if Fisher wanted Cutler then I am sure he, Les and Demoff would figure it out.

I absolutely think that Cutler would go for it.

He has worn out his welcome twice already. Not that many places would want him.

so he could prove himself to the entire world.

Cutler has already made gobs of money and at this point he sees his own Superbowl window nearly slammed shut.

If you don't get into the money side of it it's pretty much like saying "well he wasn't a very good RG for the Sacramento Pansies but Boudreau will coach him up so let's get him in FA." Demoff and Boudreau may be good at their jobs but they're not miracle workers and this kind of stuff always comes at a cost doesn't it? Putting a large amount of resources in one area means you have less for the other areas. All for a guy who may never see the field? But I do understand your point about the closing window of opportunity.

I'm still willing to bet on the subject of Cutler's willingness. Just let me know.

As far as I know, he hasn't worn out his welcome anywhere. He was the one who asked to be traded when he went to the Bears and so far it's only rumored that he might have worn out his welcome with them. Furthermore, You must not think very highly of your own assessment of Cutler if you think that no one else would want him. Why wouldn't the other teams see the same things in Cutler that you do?

Why would he need to prove himself to the entire world? Certainly not to get another contract because he'd be 34 years old even if he just signed a 2 year contract.
For his legacy? :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL: :ROFLMAO:

Now, I can see some merit in your last point. Of course he just got through telling the world that he wants to stay in Chicago and maybe that's just BS but judging by the stance he took when Shanafanafofana tried to undercut him by signing another QB when he was in Denver, I tend to take him at his word when it comes to that kind of stuff.

As I've run out of colors I'll end this with a final thought. I think your idea is good but the logistics are beyond the Rams. We'll see.
 
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How about now? @ :22 .... "Tell Martz I said 'freak YOU!" :ROFLMAO:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJtPjkSTZyE


Well, up by 20 points you run the ball a little bit here and there, maybe a screen, and maybe avoid 7 step drops. Did you see the look on Cutlers face as he got the call in his helmet, the look and head shake said it all, and he looked like he was giving Martz the stinkeye LOL.

As I said other than that incident and being pissed that he found out he was being shopped for trade by the media I'm not sure what he has done to earn the negative feelings and shit.
 

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As I said other than that incident and being pissed that he found out he was being shopped for trade by the media I'm not sure what he has done to earn the negative feelings and crap.
I don't either. I think people are just perpetuating the "coach killer" meme. I mean, the same could be said about Bradford. He "killed" Shurmur, Spagnuolo, McDaniels, and now Fisher and Schotty if you wanna borrow that kind of logic.